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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? 13:37 - Nov 22 with 6467 viewshampstead_blue

https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reactio

Terrifying!
I really do believe that their spending and tax plans will cripple the country.
JM is in denial as to the effect on normal people.
He will raise taxes on earners >£80k, that's pretty much every GP and huge swathes of the country. Is £80k rich?

The other thing which JM has consistently brushed over is the effect on business to the unions taking back control.
He is going to be giving the unions the right to strike and so much power that business won't stand a chance.

These are two huge issues.

Q: If you vote Labour, does this concern you? Flying pickets, strikes, union closed shops, huge inflation.....
Price rises and lower wages to cover the costs of the massive rises in corporation tax.
Lower pension pots due to businesses not paying dividends and share plummeting.

This is very serious. 1970's politics won't work in 2019.

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 13:57 - Nov 22 with 4520 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Love a good picket line....
Pension and shares......lols....

But no, money and investment well spent (....well in terms of the existing paradigm anyway!)

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:03 - Nov 22 with 4504 viewsbaxterbasics

It didn't work in the 1970s either.

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:10 - Nov 22 with 4496 viewsSomethingBlue

For vast, vast swathes of this country £80k is a pipedream.

As for you, your imagination gets richer by the day, I'll give you that!

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:16 - Nov 22 with 4475 viewsSouperJim

I feel the chances of Corbyn getting a majority seem beyond remote and a minority government would probably enact a much watered down version of this manifesto.

I can't believe this is a manifesto that Labour actually think they'll have to follow through on, surely it's a damage limitation exercise intended to appeal to whats left of the traditional labour vote. I will vote for it, because we desperately need a bit of a push back against Tory austerity. It also contains some good stuff about worker rights and trying to redress the inequality in our society. But the sooner Dave Milliband shows up with a centre-left rebrand, the better. Full on socialism is totally unrealistic.

As much as I despise the current generation of conservatives for their austerity and hostile environment, Momentum are really starting to get on my tits. They've lost the plot for me.

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:18 - Nov 22 with 4474 viewshampstead_blue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:10 - Nov 22 by SomethingBlue

For vast, vast swathes of this country £80k is a pipedream.

As for you, your imagination gets richer by the day, I'll give you that!


Did you know that Post Office workers planned on striking over Christmas?

It was only stopped by the courts.
Under JC, the Unions will bring business to a stand still.

It's not my imagination, it's a reality. JM all but confirmed it on R4 this morning.

Emperor's new clothes....

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:23 - Nov 22 with 4456 viewsbaxterbasics

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:16 - Nov 22 by SouperJim

I feel the chances of Corbyn getting a majority seem beyond remote and a minority government would probably enact a much watered down version of this manifesto.

I can't believe this is a manifesto that Labour actually think they'll have to follow through on, surely it's a damage limitation exercise intended to appeal to whats left of the traditional labour vote. I will vote for it, because we desperately need a bit of a push back against Tory austerity. It also contains some good stuff about worker rights and trying to redress the inequality in our society. But the sooner Dave Milliband shows up with a centre-left rebrand, the better. Full on socialism is totally unrealistic.

As much as I despise the current generation of conservatives for their austerity and hostile environment, Momentum are really starting to get on my tits. They've lost the plot for me.


I think you're right, knowing you are unlikely to win power makes it easier to promise all kinds of silliness.

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:26 - Nov 22 with 4448 viewshampstead_blue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:16 - Nov 22 by SouperJim

I feel the chances of Corbyn getting a majority seem beyond remote and a minority government would probably enact a much watered down version of this manifesto.

I can't believe this is a manifesto that Labour actually think they'll have to follow through on, surely it's a damage limitation exercise intended to appeal to whats left of the traditional labour vote. I will vote for it, because we desperately need a bit of a push back against Tory austerity. It also contains some good stuff about worker rights and trying to redress the inequality in our society. But the sooner Dave Milliband shows up with a centre-left rebrand, the better. Full on socialism is totally unrealistic.

As much as I despise the current generation of conservatives for their austerity and hostile environment, Momentum are really starting to get on my tits. They've lost the plot for me.


If David Milliband had beaten his bro, I think he would have won that GE.

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:44 - Nov 22 with 4443 viewshomer_123

Hmm.

Social mobility going backwards
The difference between the have's and have not's increasing
The level of wealth controlled by fewer and fewer people
Food banks
Child poverty
Crippled NHS
Social care in chaos
Police and other services chronically underfunded

Trickle economics isn't working. I'm not laying all the above at the door of the Tories either. But you state Labours approach will cripple the country - are we not already somewhat fubared?

Do you believe in the NHS? Do you believe in the Welfare state? I doubt many would say no - we can argue to the nth degree about whether Labours manifesto would work but few would argue that it inherently feels more just, fair and representative of the wider UK population than say the Tories. You can't tell me that the changes to worker rights, leave, paternity etc etc are not sensible and fair? The populous were told that minimum/ living wage would never work - it would 'cripple' the economy....hmmm.

Here's the reality - what we are doing at the moment isn't working - end of.

Whatever your colour or persuasion - that is something we can agree on.

I, for one, am interested in others and not just myself. I'd like to live in a society that is fair, equitable and just - where services are properly funded (and managed), where those in need are looked after and those that prosper share their success. I'd like to think that we look after those less fortunate or those that have contributed but are ageing and in need or care and support. Wouldn't it be great to think that our children and children's children can afford a place to live and where we look after each other and our environment.

Thing is - that costs - it costs time, effort and resources. If we want the above and want to live in such a society - then we all need to contribute, some will need to contribute financially more than others because they are able and can. Businesses need to become far more focused on their wider contribution to society than their bottom line.

If we can achieve such a society (and we should bloody well try), then that is certainly worthy of an increase in expenditure covered by us paying more tax (yes, tax. Or if you feel more comfortable, say a 'societal contribution'), businesses also need a change - a change in their relationship to the country within which it operates and generates income from.

Currently we don't contribute enough - the evidence is there for all to see. Time we all grew up, acknowledge our situation and actually move past individual needs/ desires and think a bit more of our brethren, locale and environment.

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:51 - Nov 22 with 4420 viewshampstead_blue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:44 - Nov 22 by homer_123

Hmm.

Social mobility going backwards
The difference between the have's and have not's increasing
The level of wealth controlled by fewer and fewer people
Food banks
Child poverty
Crippled NHS
Social care in chaos
Police and other services chronically underfunded

Trickle economics isn't working. I'm not laying all the above at the door of the Tories either. But you state Labours approach will cripple the country - are we not already somewhat fubared?

Do you believe in the NHS? Do you believe in the Welfare state? I doubt many would say no - we can argue to the nth degree about whether Labours manifesto would work but few would argue that it inherently feels more just, fair and representative of the wider UK population than say the Tories. You can't tell me that the changes to worker rights, leave, paternity etc etc are not sensible and fair? The populous were told that minimum/ living wage would never work - it would 'cripple' the economy....hmmm.

Here's the reality - what we are doing at the moment isn't working - end of.

Whatever your colour or persuasion - that is something we can agree on.

I, for one, am interested in others and not just myself. I'd like to live in a society that is fair, equitable and just - where services are properly funded (and managed), where those in need are looked after and those that prosper share their success. I'd like to think that we look after those less fortunate or those that have contributed but are ageing and in need or care and support. Wouldn't it be great to think that our children and children's children can afford a place to live and where we look after each other and our environment.

Thing is - that costs - it costs time, effort and resources. If we want the above and want to live in such a society - then we all need to contribute, some will need to contribute financially more than others because they are able and can. Businesses need to become far more focused on their wider contribution to society than their bottom line.

If we can achieve such a society (and we should bloody well try), then that is certainly worthy of an increase in expenditure covered by us paying more tax (yes, tax. Or if you feel more comfortable, say a 'societal contribution'), businesses also need a change - a change in their relationship to the country within which it operates and generates income from.

Currently we don't contribute enough - the evidence is there for all to see. Time we all grew up, acknowledge our situation and actually move past individual needs/ desires and think a bit more of our brethren, locale and environment.


I don't think there are many do not want to attain the goals you mention.
I'd love to find a way for greater equality but retaining the ability and incentive to succeed.

Sadly I think JC and JM are living in the past and their politics are from a bygone era. They are not progressive nor do they have any elegant of intelligent solutions.

I've mentioned it before, the Social Enterprise business model, is one which with some smart development can be a strong driver for social change whilst allowing entrepreneurs to make decent money.
JM hasn't even mentioned anything like that. He's not shown the intellect to be able to embrace modern business and develop it to be more socially minded.

A modern global economy won't support socialism. Liquidity and movement are such that firms can pivot on their heel and flee regimes which prevent them reaching their goals.

Labour under JC and JM are a lethal weapon. End of.

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:58 - Nov 22 with 4413 viewsBrixtonBlue

Huge swathes of the country are on more than £80k a year?!

What I think the truth is is that YOU'RE on more than £80k a year and you're worried about not being able to horde quite as much for yourself if Labour get in. F the rest of the country, my wife wants a a new conservatory.

Let's keep things as they are, because I'm alright Jack.

I bet Bloots will downarrow this.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:01 - Nov 22 with 4399 viewsBrixtonBlue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:51 - Nov 22 by hampstead_blue

I don't think there are many do not want to attain the goals you mention.
I'd love to find a way for greater equality but retaining the ability and incentive to succeed.

Sadly I think JC and JM are living in the past and their politics are from a bygone era. They are not progressive nor do they have any elegant of intelligent solutions.

I've mentioned it before, the Social Enterprise business model, is one which with some smart development can be a strong driver for social change whilst allowing entrepreneurs to make decent money.
JM hasn't even mentioned anything like that. He's not shown the intellect to be able to embrace modern business and develop it to be more socially minded.

A modern global economy won't support socialism. Liquidity and movement are such that firms can pivot on their heel and flee regimes which prevent them reaching their goals.

Labour under JC and JM are a lethal weapon. End of.


"I'd love to find a way for greater equality."

This doesn't come across in any of your posts.

I bet Bloots will downarrow this.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:05 - Nov 22 with 4384 viewsCoachRob

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:51 - Nov 22 by hampstead_blue

I don't think there are many do not want to attain the goals you mention.
I'd love to find a way for greater equality but retaining the ability and incentive to succeed.

Sadly I think JC and JM are living in the past and their politics are from a bygone era. They are not progressive nor do they have any elegant of intelligent solutions.

I've mentioned it before, the Social Enterprise business model, is one which with some smart development can be a strong driver for social change whilst allowing entrepreneurs to make decent money.
JM hasn't even mentioned anything like that. He's not shown the intellect to be able to embrace modern business and develop it to be more socially minded.

A modern global economy won't support socialism. Liquidity and movement are such that firms can pivot on their heel and flee regimes which prevent them reaching their goals.

Labour under JC and JM are a lethal weapon. End of.


Aren't the Co-operative Party allied with the Labour Party?
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:05 - Nov 22 with 4382 viewsjaykay

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:58 - Nov 22 by BrixtonBlue

Huge swathes of the country are on more than £80k a year?!

What I think the truth is is that YOU'RE on more than £80k a year and you're worried about not being able to horde quite as much for yourself if Labour get in. F the rest of the country, my wife wants a a new conservatory.

Let's keep things as they are, because I'm alright Jack.


you would think he would be lying low after his last post showed he didn't read his own link.
maybe he did read it but didn't understand it

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:08 - Nov 22 with 4372 viewsmatteoblue

The problem Corbyn has got is that the Tories are already spending at the levels that Michael Foot unsuccessfully proposed in 1983. So he's got to out-socialise them to make a difference. Neither party can progress this way for too much longer before it all pops.

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:09 - Nov 22 with 4369 viewsBent_double

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:44 - Nov 22 by homer_123

Hmm.

Social mobility going backwards
The difference between the have's and have not's increasing
The level of wealth controlled by fewer and fewer people
Food banks
Child poverty
Crippled NHS
Social care in chaos
Police and other services chronically underfunded

Trickle economics isn't working. I'm not laying all the above at the door of the Tories either. But you state Labours approach will cripple the country - are we not already somewhat fubared?

Do you believe in the NHS? Do you believe in the Welfare state? I doubt many would say no - we can argue to the nth degree about whether Labours manifesto would work but few would argue that it inherently feels more just, fair and representative of the wider UK population than say the Tories. You can't tell me that the changes to worker rights, leave, paternity etc etc are not sensible and fair? The populous were told that minimum/ living wage would never work - it would 'cripple' the economy....hmmm.

Here's the reality - what we are doing at the moment isn't working - end of.

Whatever your colour or persuasion - that is something we can agree on.

I, for one, am interested in others and not just myself. I'd like to live in a society that is fair, equitable and just - where services are properly funded (and managed), where those in need are looked after and those that prosper share their success. I'd like to think that we look after those less fortunate or those that have contributed but are ageing and in need or care and support. Wouldn't it be great to think that our children and children's children can afford a place to live and where we look after each other and our environment.

Thing is - that costs - it costs time, effort and resources. If we want the above and want to live in such a society - then we all need to contribute, some will need to contribute financially more than others because they are able and can. Businesses need to become far more focused on their wider contribution to society than their bottom line.

If we can achieve such a society (and we should bloody well try), then that is certainly worthy of an increase in expenditure covered by us paying more tax (yes, tax. Or if you feel more comfortable, say a 'societal contribution'), businesses also need a change - a change in their relationship to the country within which it operates and generates income from.

Currently we don't contribute enough - the evidence is there for all to see. Time we all grew up, acknowledge our situation and actually move past individual needs/ desires and think a bit more of our brethren, locale and environment.




Superb post.

I vote for Homer!

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:11 - Nov 22 with 4370 viewshampstead_blue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:58 - Nov 22 by BrixtonBlue

Huge swathes of the country are on more than £80k a year?!

What I think the truth is is that YOU'RE on more than £80k a year and you're worried about not being able to horde quite as much for yourself if Labour get in. F the rest of the country, my wife wants a a new conservatory.

Let's keep things as they are, because I'm alright Jack.


Hello, I'd missed you're barbed comments.

My income is below £80k, as is my wife's and both my eldest children. We do not need a new conservatory thanks. Did you want to sell me one?

Yes, it is correct to state that huge swathes of the country earn more than £80k. GP's, surgeons, property developers, senior cops/fire service/ambulance, senior army, navy, air force officers.......I could go on.

You're use of the phrase 'I'm all right jack' is never welcome. For veterans it's a proper insult.

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:14 - Nov 22 with 4359 viewsnoggin

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:11 - Nov 22 by hampstead_blue

Hello, I'd missed you're barbed comments.

My income is below £80k, as is my wife's and both my eldest children. We do not need a new conservatory thanks. Did you want to sell me one?

Yes, it is correct to state that huge swathes of the country earn more than £80k. GP's, surgeons, property developers, senior cops/fire service/ambulance, senior army, navy, air force officers.......I could go on.

You're use of the phrase 'I'm all right jack' is never welcome. For veterans it's a proper insult.


Why an insult for veterans?

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:14 - Nov 22 with 4359 viewshampstead_blue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:01 - Nov 22 by BrixtonBlue

"I'd love to find a way for greater equality."

This doesn't come across in any of your posts.


Did you miss the fact that I ran a Social Enterprise and encouraged lots of firms in my sector to change, they did btw.

With our new venture we are also building homes for local families and veterans. These will be super insulated and cheap to run. We're investing way over what is required by building regs to ensure a low carbon footprint. The units will also be gas free.

And we both work for charities.

Anything else?

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:15 - Nov 22 with 4353 viewslongtimefan

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:44 - Nov 22 by homer_123

Hmm.

Social mobility going backwards
The difference between the have's and have not's increasing
The level of wealth controlled by fewer and fewer people
Food banks
Child poverty
Crippled NHS
Social care in chaos
Police and other services chronically underfunded

Trickle economics isn't working. I'm not laying all the above at the door of the Tories either. But you state Labours approach will cripple the country - are we not already somewhat fubared?

Do you believe in the NHS? Do you believe in the Welfare state? I doubt many would say no - we can argue to the nth degree about whether Labours manifesto would work but few would argue that it inherently feels more just, fair and representative of the wider UK population than say the Tories. You can't tell me that the changes to worker rights, leave, paternity etc etc are not sensible and fair? The populous were told that minimum/ living wage would never work - it would 'cripple' the economy....hmmm.

Here's the reality - what we are doing at the moment isn't working - end of.

Whatever your colour or persuasion - that is something we can agree on.

I, for one, am interested in others and not just myself. I'd like to live in a society that is fair, equitable and just - where services are properly funded (and managed), where those in need are looked after and those that prosper share their success. I'd like to think that we look after those less fortunate or those that have contributed but are ageing and in need or care and support. Wouldn't it be great to think that our children and children's children can afford a place to live and where we look after each other and our environment.

Thing is - that costs - it costs time, effort and resources. If we want the above and want to live in such a society - then we all need to contribute, some will need to contribute financially more than others because they are able and can. Businesses need to become far more focused on their wider contribution to society than their bottom line.

If we can achieve such a society (and we should bloody well try), then that is certainly worthy of an increase in expenditure covered by us paying more tax (yes, tax. Or if you feel more comfortable, say a 'societal contribution'), businesses also need a change - a change in their relationship to the country within which it operates and generates income from.

Currently we don't contribute enough - the evidence is there for all to see. Time we all grew up, acknowledge our situation and actually move past individual needs/ desires and think a bit more of our brethren, locale and environment.


Didn't the Blair government deliver most of those aims without spending billions on nationalization.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:54 - Nov 22 with 4234 viewseireblue

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 14:51 - Nov 22 by hampstead_blue

I don't think there are many do not want to attain the goals you mention.
I'd love to find a way for greater equality but retaining the ability and incentive to succeed.

Sadly I think JC and JM are living in the past and their politics are from a bygone era. They are not progressive nor do they have any elegant of intelligent solutions.

I've mentioned it before, the Social Enterprise business model, is one which with some smart development can be a strong driver for social change whilst allowing entrepreneurs to make decent money.
JM hasn't even mentioned anything like that. He's not shown the intellect to be able to embrace modern business and develop it to be more socially minded.

A modern global economy won't support socialism. Liquidity and movement are such that firms can pivot on their heel and flee regimes which prevent them reaching their goals.

Labour under JC and JM are a lethal weapon. End of.


That post is mostly all true, if you use BJ and SJ, instead of JC and JM.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 16:12 - Nov 22 with 4179 viewsDarth_Koont

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:01 - Nov 22 by BrixtonBlue

"I'd love to find a way for greater equality."

This doesn't come across in any of your posts.


Indeed. You don't have to look very far to find a way. Many of our neighbours have better equality and a better spread of opportunity across society, which strengthens the structure of their economies too.

Ensuring a higher tax take is key. And with few exceptions that's through people and companies (in combination rather than both necessarily) paying more tax.

On a side note, our current approach is very anti-capitalist. If capitalism is about re-investing in the means of production to increase productivity then why do we show so little interest in investing in our own citizens? Are we saying that they aren't the real means of production in the UK? What are they then, and does that mean a large percentage of the 65 million people are now seen just as a cost to manage and minimize?

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 17:40 - Nov 22 with 4046 viewsBlueBadger

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:08 - Nov 22 by matteoblue

The problem Corbyn has got is that the Tories are already spending at the levels that Michael Foot unsuccessfully proposed in 1983. So he's got to out-socialise them to make a difference. Neither party can progress this way for too much longer before it all pops.


LOL

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 17:42 - Nov 22 with 4046 viewsBlueBadger

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 15:14 - Nov 22 by noggin

Why an insult for veterans?


Look, if you're paid lots of money as senior military figure to facilitate the killing of brown people for oil then it's bad form to pay an extra penny or two in the pound to pay for the healthcare of the ground-floor grunts who's health was irreparably damaged by said actions.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 17:45 - Nov 22 with 4036 viewsBackToRussia

Yes 80k is rich you fvcking cretin.

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Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 17:47 - Nov 22 with 4030 viewsBackToRussia

Have the Labour supporters seen this and how do you feel? on 16:12 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont

Indeed. You don't have to look very far to find a way. Many of our neighbours have better equality and a better spread of opportunity across society, which strengthens the structure of their economies too.

Ensuring a higher tax take is key. And with few exceptions that's through people and companies (in combination rather than both necessarily) paying more tax.

On a side note, our current approach is very anti-capitalist. If capitalism is about re-investing in the means of production to increase productivity then why do we show so little interest in investing in our own citizens? Are we saying that they aren't the real means of production in the UK? What are they then, and does that mean a large percentage of the 65 million people are now seen just as a cost to manage and minimize?


If people knew that many capitalists are planning for a time when huge swathes of jobs become redundant due to technological advances, they'd probably vote Labour too.

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