| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently 15:08 - Nov 21 with 2801 views | Meadowlark |
receives £250k pocket money from his ma.
Should she now put a stop to this payment since he's been grounded for being naughty? |  | | |  |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:09 - Nov 21 with 2449 views | factual_blue |
As he's no longer a working royal, yes. [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:09]
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:09 - Nov 21 with 2444 views | itfcjoe |
Check with Charles, he’s the boss now |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:15 - Nov 21 with 2425 views | artsbossbeard |
I'm still flabbergasted that he marched them up to the top of the hill just to simply march them down again.
Poor use of an infantry right there. |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:16 - Nov 21 with 2413 views | BlueBadger |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:09 - Nov 21 by factual_blue |
As he's no longer a working royal, yes. [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:09]
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The word 'working' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this context. |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:18 - Nov 21 with 2408 views | Ryorry |
When you're 59 years old & sacked by your 93 year-old Mum  |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:25 - Nov 21 with 2383 views | RobTheMonk |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:15 - Nov 21 by artsbossbeard |
I'm still flabbergasted that he marched them up to the top of the hill just to simply march them down again.
Poor use of an infantry right there. |
Show of strength. They didn't even sweat when they did it... [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:25]
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:26 - Nov 21 with 2366 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:25 - Nov 21 by RobTheMonk |
Show of strength. They didn't even sweat when they did it... [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:25]
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it was simply the honourable thing to do |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:29 - Nov 21 with 2343 views | Ryorry |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:26 - Nov 21 by Illinoisblue |
it was simply the honourable thing to do |
They certainly raised the bar with that one, even if they didn't know where it was set ... | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:30 - Nov 21 with 2331 views | abingdon_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:25 - Nov 21 by RobTheMonk |
Show of strength. They didn't even sweat when they did it... [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:25]
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And have no recollection of ever going up and down that hill |  | | |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:49 - Nov 21 with 2281 views | Radlett_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:26 - Nov 21 by Illinoisblue |
it was simply the honourable thing to do |
He needed lessons in dissembling from Bill Clinton. |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:52 - Nov 21 with 2271 views | Guthrum |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:15 - Nov 21 by artsbossbeard |
I'm still flabbergasted that he marched them up to the top of the hill just to simply march them down again.
Poor use of an infantry right there. |
It was his reforms of the army which allowed Wellington to win so many battles. |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:09 - Nov 21 with 2234 views | Fixed_It |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:30 - Nov 21 by abingdon_blue |
And have no recollection of ever going up and down that hill |
Obviously wasn't a Pizza Express up there then. |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:23 - Nov 21 with 2208 views | factual_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:52 - Nov 21 by Guthrum |
It was his reforms of the army which allowed Wellington to win so many battles. |
Although the nursery rhyme may well be about a different Duke of York.... | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:28 - Nov 21 with 2192 views | factual_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:15 - Nov 21 by artsbossbeard |
I'm still flabbergasted that he marched them up to the top of the hill just to simply march them down again.
Poor use of an infantry right there. |
In the light of the current brouhaha, we should perhaps wonder what's really meant by the line 'He had ten thousand men'. | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:29 - Nov 21 with 2194 views | Radlett_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:23 - Nov 21 by factual_blue |
Although the nursery rhyme may well be about a different Duke of York.... |
Prince Frederick, Duke of York, 1763-1827, was the man alluded to in the nursery rhyme after an ineffectual campaign in Flanders during the War of the First Coalition. Later, as Commander-in-Chief during the Napoleonic Wars, he oversaw the reorganisation of the British Army, establishing vital structural, administrative and recruiting reform for which he is credited with having done "more for the army than any one man has done for it in the whole of its history". | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:29 - Nov 21 with 2191 views | EdwardStone |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:15 - Nov 21 by artsbossbeard |
I'm still flabbergasted that he marched them up to the top of the hill just to simply march them down again.
Poor use of an infantry right there. |
At the risk of sounding a bit like Mr Guthrum…..
That particular Duke of York ( Prince Frederick, son of George Third) was quite indecisive, but as a Royal he was expected to command soldiers in a conflict. He really did march his soldiers about to try and find what he believed was the best tactical position for them. Being indecisive, he changed his mind frequently and he felt that he simply did not have the knowledge or experience he needed to make the best decisions. He bemoaned the fact that he had never been taught this kind of stuff; it was just assumed that he would know it
In 1799, on his return from that campaign he founded the Army Staff College so that knowledge and experience could be passed on to young officers....which gave an enormous advantage to the British Army of the day
The idea of an officers training college was adopted by many other nations soon afterwards |  | | |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:36 - Nov 21 with 2169 views | factual_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:29 - Nov 21 by Radlett_blue |
Prince Frederick, Duke of York, 1763-1827, was the man alluded to in the nursery rhyme after an ineffectual campaign in Flanders during the War of the First Coalition. Later, as Commander-in-Chief during the Napoleonic Wars, he oversaw the reorganisation of the British Army, establishing vital structural, administrative and recruiting reform for which he is credited with having done "more for the army than any one man has done for it in the whole of its history". |
Both the tune, and the theme of a commander involved in pointless, indecisive manoeuvres pre-date that Duke of York.
There are at least three Dukes of York in the running
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Old_Duke_of_York#Origins | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:42 - Nov 21 with 2163 views | factual_blue |
I think his naval rank Vice Admiral is honorary and doesn't carry a salary.
Although there's an amusing double entrendre in his current rank. | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:45 - Nov 21 with 2147 views | Meadowlark |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:42 - Nov 21 by factual_blue |
I think his naval rank Vice Admiral is honorary and doesn't carry a salary.
Although there's an amusing double entrendre in his current rank. |
Apparently he gets a navy pension.... | | | |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:47 - Nov 21 with 2138 views | factual_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:45 - Nov 21 by Meadowlark |
Apparently he gets a navy pension.... |
Fair enough. | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:54 - Nov 21 with 2126 views | GeoffSentence |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 15:25 - Nov 21 by RobTheMonk |
Show of strength. They didn't even sweat when they did it... [Post edited 21 Nov 2019 15:25]
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Good vantage point. Excellent use of the topography. |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 17:08 - Nov 21 with 2084 views | Warkystache |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:54 - Nov 21 by GeoffSentence |
Good vantage point. Excellent use of the topography. |
Fifteen Grand old Duke of York
Got paid by dodgy swells
To help his ex-missus 'consolidate debts'
while he allegedly 'met' Jeff's girls
And when he was caught, he blustered
And when he saw the queen, he was sanctioned
And all he could say was 'I'm an 'onorable bloke
And I didn't 'alf miss Jeff's mansions' |  |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 17:19 - Nov 21 with 2059 views | Guthrum |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:45 - Nov 21 by Meadowlark |
Apparently he gets a navy pension.... |
He was a serving naval officer for 22 years (including in action as a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War), attaining the rank of Commander. He will be entitled to a pension from that. | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 17:25 - Nov 21 with 2040 views | factual_blue |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 17:19 - Nov 21 by Guthrum |
He was a serving naval officer for 22 years (including in action as a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War), attaining the rank of Commander. He will be entitled to a pension from that. |
Around £30k a year then. He won't starve. | |
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| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 19:00 - Nov 21 with 1944 views | HennikerBlu |
| The Grand Old Duke of York apparently on 16:29 - Nov 21 by EdwardStone |
At the risk of sounding a bit like Mr Guthrum…..
That particular Duke of York ( Prince Frederick, son of George Third) was quite indecisive, but as a Royal he was expected to command soldiers in a conflict. He really did march his soldiers about to try and find what he believed was the best tactical position for them. Being indecisive, he changed his mind frequently and he felt that he simply did not have the knowledge or experience he needed to make the best decisions. He bemoaned the fact that he had never been taught this kind of stuff; it was just assumed that he would know it
In 1799, on his return from that campaign he founded the Army Staff College so that knowledge and experience could be passed on to young officers....which gave an enormous advantage to the British Army of the day
The idea of an officers training college was adopted by many other nations soon afterwards |
Frederick the Great formed Académie des Nobles in 1765, with the best students going on to his staff for personal training. You also have, founded in 1750 by King Louis XV, the École Militaire. See also the several École des Cadets-gentilshommes, a well known example being the Military School of Brienne, which a certain Napoleon Bonaparte attended until 1784.
When it came to officer training, much of Europe was further ahead at the start of this era, hence the urgent need to reform. The excellent and influential John Le Marchant was behind the RMC (High Wycombe/Great Marlow; then Sandhurst), with the support of the Duke of York overseeing the critical reform of the British Army as you rightly highlight. | | | |
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