| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:41 - Nov 18 with 1628 views | Dyland |
"The narrative was that these cameras were just there so councils could extract cash from the poor public."
One of my many bugbears. If the cameras are hidden or not well signed, then this is an argument. Otherwise it's bollix, and how many times have people been caught by a camera they did not clock? Opens up another argument about lack of awareness and it really is tough sh1t on the driver.
Speed cameras prevent drivers including myself from speeding. Fewer drivers speeding results in fewer accidents and deaths. This is demonstrably true. |  |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:42 - Nov 18 with 1614 views | StokieBlue |
I certainly think it's right that policy can have an effect although I am not sure about the final conclusion around decline. The main point that there are too many deaths is certainly a good one though.
It assumes the trend would have continued ad-infinitum even though something like placing cameras would have diminishing returns the longer the process went on as the worst spots would be covered first - that would likely flatten the trend at some point anyway. I don't think the entire flattening can be pinned on government policy changes.
On a slight tangent, there is also an alleged correlation between the end of daylight savings times and traffic accidents. This is apparently due to a number of people missing out on an hours sleep and being tired when driving the next morning.
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:46 - Nov 18 with 1598 views | factual_blue |
| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:41 - Nov 18 by Dyland |
"The narrative was that these cameras were just there so councils could extract cash from the poor public."
One of my many bugbears. If the cameras are hidden or not well signed, then this is an argument. Otherwise it's bollix, and how many times have people been caught by a camera they did not clock? Opens up another argument about lack of awareness and it really is tough sh1t on the driver.
Speed cameras prevent drivers including myself from speeding. Fewer drivers speeding results in fewer accidents and deaths. This is demonstrably true. |
Quite. I see speeding fines as a tax on stupidity. |  |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:53 - Nov 18 with 1593 views | Dyland |
| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:46 - Nov 18 by factual_blue |
Quite. I see speeding fines as a tax on stupidity. |
Aye, and I'm with stupid. I'm better than I used to be but I still struggle not to speed in 70mph limits. I know, I know. Last time I was on the M11 I tried to stick to 60/65, and ended up undertaking people who were sat in the middle lane. So ended up doing between 75 and 85 in the correct lane to get past and back in to accommodate idiots doing 90+. I'm not blaming other sh1t drivers for my speeding of course, I'm responsible for these choices. | |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 18:10 - Nov 18 with 1551 views | factual_blue |
| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:53 - Nov 18 by Dyland |
Aye, and I'm with stupid. I'm better than I used to be but I still struggle not to speed in 70mph limits. I know, I know. Last time I was on the M11 I tried to stick to 60/65, and ended up undertaking people who were sat in the middle lane. So ended up doing between 75 and 85 in the correct lane to get past and back in to accommodate idiots doing 90+. I'm not blaming other sh1t drivers for my speeding of course, I'm responsible for these choices. |
There are a number of situations where undertaking is permissible.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/undertaking/
And it isn't - ipso facto - an offence. [Post edited 18 Nov 2019 18:11]
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 18:37 - Nov 18 with 1540 views | jaykay |
its also a good job labour introduced the breath test and made all cars have seat belts.otherwise the death rate would have been much more.
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 18:43 - Nov 18 with 1532 views | Darth_Koont |
If you were done for drink-driving it would be a dipso facto offence. |  |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 17:07 - Dec 17 with 1268 views | handsomebob9 |
“Eight months later, on April 1, Oxfordshire’s cells came back to life when the council reversed its decision because the number of deaths on county roads immediately increased.” Do not flatter yourself with such decisions - fines are primarily money in the treasury of the government |  | | |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 17:16 - Dec 17 with 1249 views | Radlett_blue |
| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 16:42 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
I certainly think it's right that policy can have an effect although I am not sure about the final conclusion around decline. The main point that there are too many deaths is certainly a good one though.
It assumes the trend would have continued ad-infinitum even though something like placing cameras would have diminishing returns the longer the process went on as the worst spots would be covered first - that would likely flatten the trend at some point anyway. I don't think the entire flattening can be pinned on government policy changes.
On a slight tangent, there is also an alleged correlation between the end of daylight savings times and traffic accidents. This is apparently due to a number of people missing out on an hours sleep and being tired when driving the next morning.
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It's been pretty much statistically proven that there would be fewer road accidents & deaths if we didn't put clocks back at all and/or adopted European Central time. Accidents are more likely to occur during the drive home at the end of the working day, when drivers are generally more tired, so having more light at this time rather than in the morning would be beneficial. |  |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 17:29 - Dec 17 with 1228 views | Plums |
An interesting article. I’m also convinced that speed bumps and pot holes in particular contribute to road deaths. Structural damage to suspension and steering components, wheels etc that then manifests itself at speed later on has to be a concern. I imagine it’s entirely untraceable though. |  |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 17:29 - Dec 17 with 1230 views | Radlett_blue |
It's pretty much accepted that if everyone drove more slowly, there would be fewer deaths, However, you need to do cost/benefit analysis of this. For example, if no-one drove faster than walking pace, deaths on the road would get pretty much down to zero, but I don't think anyone is advocating that as a solution. If you do have silly speed limits, some drivers will ignore them, which can actually increase the number of accidents.
I believe most road accidents are caused by driver error, especially careless drivers not looking properly and there's not actually much you can do about that. Exceeding the speed limit is apparently only the cause of about 3% of accidents so I think it's wrong to fixate on that. | |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 09:35 - Dec 18 with 1087 views | SaleAway |
Another person who doesn't understand causality.
Its interesting that he provides the graph that completely undermines his argument...
He blames UK government policy change in 2010 for the flatlining of road deaths but then provides a european graph which essentially proves that all the countries showed the same flatlining.
I don't have the graphs to hand, but the interesting comparison to make would be the total number of accidents ( not just the number of fatalities).... I would suggest that the road deaths number is reduced by the improvements in car safety. Whereas speed cameras should reduce the incidence of all accidents, not just fatal ones. | |
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| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 09:39 - Dec 18 with 1083 views | GeoffSentence |
| Intriguing article on the annual number of road deaths in the UK on 18:37 - Nov 18 by jaykay |
its also a good job labour introduced the breath test and made all cars have seat belts.otherwise the death rate would have been much more.
dam commies |
Blaaaardy nanny state. |  |
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