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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, 12:51 - Nov 12 with 11315 viewschicoazul

is now offering all adults ongoing re-education opportunities & the chance to learn ever more about the ongoing revolutionary class war struggle towards freedom and Marxist enlightenment.

(Please note lifelong re-education is mandatory and in the case of any comrades' failure to attend re-education, may be conducted at your local Gulag)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50378666

In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 12:57 - Nov 12 with 3822 viewsJ2BLUE

I am reasonably open to a bit of election bribery to be honest but Labour are promising everything to everyone. Have they provided any independent cost analysis yet?

Truly impaired.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:02 - Nov 12 with 3791 viewsfooters

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 12:57 - Nov 12 by J2BLUE

I am reasonably open to a bit of election bribery to be honest but Labour are promising everything to everyone. Have they provided any independent cost analysis yet?


The manifesto hasn't been released yet so there ain't nuffink to analyse. But much of what Labour will do is simply reversing the swingeing, ideologically-driven Tory austerity programme.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:08 - Nov 12 with 3765 viewsEwan_Oozami

Give me a bowl of eyeball soup any day....

Just one small problem; sell their houses to who, Ben? Fcking Aquaman?
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:21 - Nov 12 with 3726 viewshampstead_blue

I think he got the idea from China.
Can't wait for a free holiday in a re-education camp.

Apparently the top 5% are going to pay. I tell you, these top 5% are going to be paying for a lot you know. How many times can you spend other people's money?

Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me. Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing. Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial. Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid. Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:30 - Nov 12 with 3682 viewsGaryCooper

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:21 - Nov 12 by hampstead_blue

I think he got the idea from China.
Can't wait for a free holiday in a re-education camp.

Apparently the top 5% are going to pay. I tell you, these top 5% are going to be paying for a lot you know. How many times can you spend other people's money?


Crazy times, the top 5 will soon become the top 10 then the top 30 ad nauseum.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:33 - Nov 12 with 3665 viewsfooters

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:30 - Nov 12 by GaryCooper

Crazy times, the top 5 will soon become the top 10 then the top 30 ad nauseum.


It's getting out of control now. Sooner or later there'll be a top rate of 60%... just like there was under Thatcher. She was a commie too.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:37 - Nov 12 with 3643 viewsBlueBadger

Imagine being the sort of person upset at the prospect of people getting an education.
You'd have to work in military intelligence to be that thick.

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:41 - Nov 12 with 3612 viewsBlueBadger

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 12:57 - Nov 12 by J2BLUE

I am reasonably open to a bit of election bribery to be honest but Labour are promising everything to everyone. Have they provided any independent cost analysis yet?


In all fairness, so is Boris. With added tax cuts. Because apparently taxing and spending is bad but not taxing and still spending isn't.

I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:42 - Nov 12 with 3610 viewsGaryCooper

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:33 - Nov 12 by footers

It's getting out of control now. Sooner or later there'll be a top rate of 60%... just like there was under Thatcher. She was a commie too.


Strange that, there is no costed way that the top 5% of taxpayers will be able to cover the father Christmas promises from Corbyn, the reply is to summon up the ghost of Thatcher.

Do you believe what Corby says?
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:43 - Nov 12 with 3607 viewsDarth_Koont

You really are a glib numpty, aren't you?

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 with 3567 viewsfooters

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:42 - Nov 12 by GaryCooper

Strange that, there is no costed way that the top 5% of taxpayers will be able to cover the father Christmas promises from Corbyn, the reply is to summon up the ghost of Thatcher.

Do you believe what Corby says?


Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance.

My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark.

I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 with 3568 viewsgiant_stow



(not got anything to do with your post, but I just saw it on twitter and made me chuckle)

Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:53 - Nov 12 with 3531 viewslowhouseblue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 by footers

Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance.

My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark.

I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories.


but when you're spending an extra £1.2 trillion another £5 billion from corporation tax or £2 billion from reducing tax avoidance isn't really going to scratch the surface. there's a limit to the number of times you can use the same money.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:56 - Nov 12 with 3514 viewsSikamikanico

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 by footers

Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance.

My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark.

I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories.


Slightly disingenuous as before Thatcher reduced the top rate to 60% it was 83% (98% taking into account the investment income surcharge)
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:56 - Nov 12 with 3514 viewsGaryCooper

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 by footers

Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance.

My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark.

I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories.


I trust neither and a willingness to trust the unknown is I suppose quite sweet, but I think the past judgements of Corbyn are quite a guide to his future judgements.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:03 - Nov 12 with 3469 viewsBrixtonBlue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:53 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue

but when you're spending an extra £1.2 trillion another £5 billion from corporation tax or £2 billion from reducing tax avoidance isn't really going to scratch the surface. there's a limit to the number of times you can use the same money.


They're not spending an extra £1.2 trillion though. Like I said in another thread, your move to the Tory side of the Force is now complete - to the point that you're actually quoting their lies now.

https://fullfact.org/news/conservative-claim-labour-1-trillion/

I bet Bloots will downarrow this.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:11 - Nov 12 with 3427 viewslowhouseblue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:03 - Nov 12 by BrixtonBlue

They're not spending an extra £1.2 trillion though. Like I said in another thread, your move to the Tory side of the Force is now complete - to the point that you're actually quoting their lies now.

https://fullfact.org/news/conservative-claim-labour-1-trillion/


someone disagrees with you, quick they're a tory. please could you try and come up with a new insult.

the £1.2 trillion comes from everything labour has promised. i don't doubt that the precise figure to put against each promise can be challenged. but which of their past promises are they going to abandon?

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:12 - Nov 12 with 3418 viewsDarth_Koont

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:11 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue

someone disagrees with you, quick they're a tory. please could you try and come up with a new insult.

the £1.2 trillion comes from everything labour has promised. i don't doubt that the precise figure to put against each promise can be challenged. but which of their past promises are they going to abandon?


Labour hasn’t published its 2019 manifesto yet, so nobody knows. This is largely based on Labour’s previous policy announcements. Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:17 - Nov 12 with 3399 viewsSwansea_Blue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:53 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue

but when you're spending an extra £1.2 trillion another £5 billion from corporation tax or £2 billion from reducing tax avoidance isn't really going to scratch the surface. there's a limit to the number of times you can use the same money.


Who's spending an extra £1.2 trillion?
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 with 3388 viewsGaryCooper

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:17 - Nov 12 by Swansea_Blue

Who's spending an extra £1.2 trillion?
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No one because it will not happen.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 with 3387 viewslowhouseblue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:12 - Nov 12 by Darth_Koont

Labour hasn’t published its 2019 manifesto yet, so nobody knows. This is largely based on Labour’s previous policy announcements. Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions.


i don't disagree with that at all. but what was the status of those policy announcements? they didn't say, when they announced these policies, that they didn't really mean them and that they were unaffordable and wouldn't go any further. they certainly gave the impression that they were announcing policies in the sense of them being things that they intended to do.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:22 - Nov 12 with 3368 viewsSwansea_Blue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 by GaryCooper

No one because it will not happen.


And irrelevant, as I now see that question has been answered already by Darth. Who's spot on. They haven't released a manifesto and the fabricated figure is made on a bunch of flawed assumptions and incorrect timings.

But people swallow it up because it's a headline in the gutter press.

It's all quite sad. This is going to be one of the most pathetic election campaigns ever, and that's going some after the last few. We're in full Trump territory now.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:24 - Nov 12 with 3360 viewsStokieBlue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:12 - Nov 12 by Darth_Koont

Labour hasn’t published its 2019 manifesto yet, so nobody knows. This is largely based on Labour’s previous policy announcements. Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions.


The problem I have is that even if the policy isn't in the manifesto some people are likely to think it is (realistically how many people read them?).

If you make loads of policy announcements all promising nice things and then only do some of them some people might vote under the misconception that one of the policies they heard will be enacted when it didn't actually make the manifesto.

"Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions."

This is definitely true - the Tories were foolish to publish anything like this before the manifesto and people are right to point that out forcefully.

I do think it's only fair to highlight that FullFact said something very similar about the Labour costings document last time which was largely ignored on here. If it's a good standard for one it should be a good standard for all for the upcoming campaign.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:25 - Nov 12 with 3352 viewsDarth_Koont

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue

i don't disagree with that at all. but what was the status of those policy announcements? they didn't say, when they announced these policies, that they didn't really mean them and that they were unaffordable and wouldn't go any further. they certainly gave the impression that they were announcing policies in the sense of them being things that they intended to do.


1.2 trillion is the issue not whatever anyone has talked about before.

The Tories will cost the country 2 trillion over the same period. How do I know that? Because I am adding up everything about them I want to over the past 10 years.

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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:28 - Nov 12 with 3324 viewslowhouseblue

The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:25 - Nov 12 by Darth_Koont

1.2 trillion is the issue not whatever anyone has talked about before.

The Tories will cost the country 2 trillion over the same period. How do I know that? Because I am adding up everything about them I want to over the past 10 years.


so is it not legitimate to try to cost their previous 'policy announcements'? can they really announce stuff and then pretend they haven't?

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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