The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, 12:51 - Nov 12 with 11428 views | chicoazul | is now offering all adults ongoing re-education opportunities & the chance to learn ever more about the ongoing revolutionary class war struggle towards freedom and Marxist enlightenment. (Please note lifelong re-education is mandatory and in the case of any comrades' failure to attend re-education, may be conducted at your local Gulag) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50378666 | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 12:57 - Nov 12 with 3853 views | J2BLUE | I am reasonably open to a bit of election bribery to be honest but Labour are promising everything to everyone. Have they provided any independent cost analysis yet? | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:02 - Nov 12 with 3822 views | footers |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 12:57 - Nov 12 by J2BLUE | I am reasonably open to a bit of election bribery to be honest but Labour are promising everything to everyone. Have they provided any independent cost analysis yet? |
The manifesto hasn't been released yet so there ain't nuffink to analyse. But much of what Labour will do is simply reversing the swingeing, ideologically-driven Tory austerity programme. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:08 - Nov 12 with 3796 views | Ewan_Oozami | Give me a bowl of eyeball soup any day.... | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:21 - Nov 12 with 3757 views | hampstead_blue | I think he got the idea from China. Can't wait for a free holiday in a re-education camp. Apparently the top 5% are going to pay. I tell you, these top 5% are going to be paying for a lot you know. How many times can you spend other people's money? | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:30 - Nov 12 with 3713 views | GaryCooper |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:21 - Nov 12 by hampstead_blue | I think he got the idea from China. Can't wait for a free holiday in a re-education camp. Apparently the top 5% are going to pay. I tell you, these top 5% are going to be paying for a lot you know. How many times can you spend other people's money? |
Crazy times, the top 5 will soon become the top 10 then the top 30 ad nauseum. | | | |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:33 - Nov 12 with 3696 views | footers |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:30 - Nov 12 by GaryCooper | Crazy times, the top 5 will soon become the top 10 then the top 30 ad nauseum. |
It's getting out of control now. Sooner or later there'll be a top rate of 60%... just like there was under Thatcher. She was a commie too. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:37 - Nov 12 with 3674 views | BlueBadger | Imagine being the sort of person upset at the prospect of people getting an education. You'd have to work in military intelligence to be that thick. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:41 - Nov 12 with 3643 views | BlueBadger |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 12:57 - Nov 12 by J2BLUE | I am reasonably open to a bit of election bribery to be honest but Labour are promising everything to everyone. Have they provided any independent cost analysis yet? |
In all fairness, so is Boris. With added tax cuts. Because apparently taxing and spending is bad but not taxing and still spending isn't. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:42 - Nov 12 with 3641 views | GaryCooper |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:33 - Nov 12 by footers | It's getting out of control now. Sooner or later there'll be a top rate of 60%... just like there was under Thatcher. She was a commie too. |
Strange that, there is no costed way that the top 5% of taxpayers will be able to cover the father Christmas promises from Corbyn, the reply is to summon up the ghost of Thatcher. Do you believe what Corby says? | | | |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:43 - Nov 12 with 3638 views | Darth_Koont | You really are a glib numpty, aren't you? | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 with 3598 views | footers |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:42 - Nov 12 by GaryCooper | Strange that, there is no costed way that the top 5% of taxpayers will be able to cover the father Christmas promises from Corbyn, the reply is to summon up the ghost of Thatcher. Do you believe what Corby says? |
Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance. My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark. I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 with 3599 views | giant_stow | (not got anything to do with your post, but I just saw it on twitter and made me chuckle) | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:53 - Nov 12 with 3562 views | lowhouseblue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 by footers | Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance. My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark. I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories. |
but when you're spending an extra £1.2 trillion another £5 billion from corporation tax or £2 billion from reducing tax avoidance isn't really going to scratch the surface. there's a limit to the number of times you can use the same money. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:56 - Nov 12 with 3545 views | Sikamikanico |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 by footers | Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance. My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark. I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories. |
Slightly disingenuous as before Thatcher reduced the top rate to 60% it was 83% (98% taking into account the investment income surcharge) | | | |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:56 - Nov 12 with 3545 views | GaryCooper |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:48 - Nov 12 by footers | Yeah because all spending commitments will be met by the top 5% of personal income tax, not corporation tax and cracking down on tax avoidance. My point about Thatcher's tax policy was that even a modest increase in the top rate still wouldn't match hers, so for people to be claiming some sort of madcap socialism is far wide of the mark. I trust Corbyn far more than I do the Tories. |
I trust neither and a willingness to trust the unknown is I suppose quite sweet, but I think the past judgements of Corbyn are quite a guide to his future judgements. | | | |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:03 - Nov 12 with 3500 views | BrixtonBlue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:53 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue | but when you're spending an extra £1.2 trillion another £5 billion from corporation tax or £2 billion from reducing tax avoidance isn't really going to scratch the surface. there's a limit to the number of times you can use the same money. |
They're not spending an extra £1.2 trillion though. Like I said in another thread, your move to the Tory side of the Force is now complete - to the point that you're actually quoting their lies now. https://fullfact.org/news/conservative-claim-labour-1-trillion/ | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:11 - Nov 12 with 3458 views | lowhouseblue |
someone disagrees with you, quick they're a tory. please could you try and come up with a new insult. the £1.2 trillion comes from everything labour has promised. i don't doubt that the precise figure to put against each promise can be challenged. but which of their past promises are they going to abandon? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:12 - Nov 12 with 3449 views | Darth_Koont |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:11 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue | someone disagrees with you, quick they're a tory. please could you try and come up with a new insult. the £1.2 trillion comes from everything labour has promised. i don't doubt that the precise figure to put against each promise can be challenged. but which of their past promises are they going to abandon? |
Labour hasn’t published its 2019 manifesto yet, so nobody knows. This is largely based on Labour’s previous policy announcements. Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:17 - Nov 12 with 3430 views | Swansea_Blue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 13:53 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue | but when you're spending an extra £1.2 trillion another £5 billion from corporation tax or £2 billion from reducing tax avoidance isn't really going to scratch the surface. there's a limit to the number of times you can use the same money. |
Who's spending an extra £1.2 trillion? [Post edited 12 Nov 2019 14:17]
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 with 3419 views | GaryCooper |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:17 - Nov 12 by Swansea_Blue | Who's spending an extra £1.2 trillion? [Post edited 12 Nov 2019 14:17]
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No one because it will not happen. | | | |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 with 3418 views | lowhouseblue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:12 - Nov 12 by Darth_Koont | Labour hasn’t published its 2019 manifesto yet, so nobody knows. This is largely based on Labour’s previous policy announcements. Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions. |
i don't disagree with that at all. but what was the status of those policy announcements? they didn't say, when they announced these policies, that they didn't really mean them and that they were unaffordable and wouldn't go any further. they certainly gave the impression that they were announcing policies in the sense of them being things that they intended to do. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:22 - Nov 12 with 3399 views | Swansea_Blue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 by GaryCooper | No one because it will not happen. |
And irrelevant, as I now see that question has been answered already by Darth. Who's spot on. They haven't released a manifesto and the fabricated figure is made on a bunch of flawed assumptions and incorrect timings. But people swallow it up because it's a headline in the gutter press. It's all quite sad. This is going to be one of the most pathetic election campaigns ever, and that's going some after the last few. We're in full Trump territory now. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:24 - Nov 12 with 3391 views | StokieBlue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:12 - Nov 12 by Darth_Koont | Labour hasn’t published its 2019 manifesto yet, so nobody knows. This is largely based on Labour’s previous policy announcements. Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions. |
The problem I have is that even if the policy isn't in the manifesto some people are likely to think it is (realistically how many people read them?). If you make loads of policy announcements all promising nice things and then only do some of them some people might vote under the misconception that one of the policies they heard will be enacted when it didn't actually make the manifesto. "Many of the figures behind this estimate are uncertain or based on flawed assumptions." This is definitely true - the Tories were foolish to publish anything like this before the manifesto and people are right to point that out forcefully. I do think it's only fair to highlight that FullFact said something very similar about the Labour costings document last time which was largely ignored on here. If it's a good standard for one it should be a good standard for all for the upcoming campaign. SB [Post edited 12 Nov 2019 14:25]
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:25 - Nov 12 with 3383 views | Darth_Koont |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:19 - Nov 12 by lowhouseblue | i don't disagree with that at all. but what was the status of those policy announcements? they didn't say, when they announced these policies, that they didn't really mean them and that they were unaffordable and wouldn't go any further. they certainly gave the impression that they were announcing policies in the sense of them being things that they intended to do. |
1.2 trillion is the issue not whatever anyone has talked about before. The Tories will cost the country 2 trillion over the same period. How do I know that? Because I am adding up everything about them I want to over the past 10 years. | |
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The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:28 - Nov 12 with 3355 views | lowhouseblue |
The Maximum Leader, in his infinite wisdom and magnificent disinterest, on 14:25 - Nov 12 by Darth_Koont | 1.2 trillion is the issue not whatever anyone has talked about before. The Tories will cost the country 2 trillion over the same period. How do I know that? Because I am adding up everything about them I want to over the past 10 years. |
so is it not legitimate to try to cost their previous 'policy announcements'? can they really announce stuff and then pretend they haven't? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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