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And trumpyboy is seemingly doing a volte-face. Though whether he will actually do anything is highly questionable.
According to reports, Congress are planning to take things out of his hands, as far as possible. On a bi-partisan basis, too.
Some of the things he has been saying lately are extraordinary. If France had taken that attitude around 1780, the USA would never have won independence.
I think we should exercise caution regarding media reports, see the tweet below regarding ABC News claims which are backed up in their news report by an ex BBC journalist who is now a senior foreign correspondent at ABC News (click on the tweet and scroll down to see the news report).
Absolutely shameful, just fake news from the msm, no wonder people trust the msm less and less and are looking at alternatives for their news.
Wow! ABC News is trying to pass gun range videos as combat footage from Syria pic.twitter.com/zfTWtwwSfZ
— Wojciech Pawelczyk 🇵🇱🇺🇸 (@PolishPatriotTM) October 14, 2019
I think we should exercise caution regarding media reports, see the tweet below regarding ABC News claims which are backed up in their news report by an ex BBC journalist who is now a senior foreign correspondent at ABC News (click on the tweet and scroll down to see the news report).
Absolutely shameful, just fake news from the msm, no wonder people trust the msm less and less and are looking at alternatives for their news.
Wow! ABC News is trying to pass gun range videos as combat footage from Syria pic.twitter.com/zfTWtwwSfZ
— Wojciech Pawelczyk 🇵🇱🇺🇸 (@PolishPatriotTM) October 14, 2019
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I'm not relying on media reports, more "grass roots" sources.
I think we should exercise caution regarding media reports, see the tweet below regarding ABC News claims which are backed up in their news report by an ex BBC journalist who is now a senior foreign correspondent at ABC News (click on the tweet and scroll down to see the news report).
Absolutely shameful, just fake news from the msm, no wonder people trust the msm less and less and are looking at alternatives for their news.
Wow! ABC News is trying to pass gun range videos as combat footage from Syria pic.twitter.com/zfTWtwwSfZ
— Wojciech Pawelczyk 🇵🇱🇺🇸 (@PolishPatriotTM) October 14, 2019
[Post edited 15 Oct 2019 0:48]
I'd trust Guffers' ability to evaluate a source over some random twitter bloke who's user handle is raising some flags, tbh.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
So you think that Guthrum would have known that the clip and the claims in the official ABC News report was fake?
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Yes. That particular clip looks not remotely genuine, being rather obvious fuel explosions and too close to the firing position. The other segments appear much more so.
And the claims of casualties are pretty consistent (including by Turkish-allied sources).
Yes. That particular clip looks not remotely genuine, being rather obvious fuel explosions and too close to the firing position. The other segments appear much more so.
And the claims of casualties are pretty consistent (including by Turkish-allied sources).
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Well you spotted it and well done but how is it that the ex BBC journalist and SENIOR foreign correspondent Ian Pannell could not see that the clip is not remotely genuine?
So how is Putin going to square that with the new found relationship with Turkey?
Furthermore what do NATO do given Russia would be engaging a NATO ally. I assume nothing and doubly assume nothing given Turkey are the aggressor in this whole debacle.
So how is Putin going to square that with the new found relationship with Turkey?
Furthermore what do NATO do given Russia would be engaging a NATO ally. I assume nothing and doubly assume nothing given Turkey are the aggressor in this whole debacle.
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Perhaps the Y.P.G (S.D.F) were just a little too democratic for the 'democracy and freedom brigade. Shameful although it was always going to happen.
Well you spotted it and well done but how is it that the ex BBC journalist and SENIOR foreign correspondent Ian Pannell could not see that the clip is not remotely genuine?
Not to mention the rest of the staff at ABC News.
I doubt it was his job to verify all the footage shown.
Somebody messed up. Wouldn't even remotely be the first time. Perhaps, having watched lots of Hollywood films, that is what most people think combat footage looks like. Plus there seems to be relatively little sub-editing and fact-checking goes on nowadays (particularly in newspapers) - perhaps they are trying to save time and money.
It's more the case that Trump doesn't care if they're democratic or not, responds impulsively to personal conversations (in this case a phone call from Erdogan*) and has little understanding of the diplomatic/strategic balance. He also hates spending money on anything he can't see a direct, immediate benefit from (typical bad businessman). More laudably, he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Most in the US establishment are horrified.
* One wonders if the latter said he could find some dirt on Hunter Biden.
It's more the case that Trump doesn't care if they're democratic or not, responds impulsively to personal conversations (in this case a phone call from Erdogan*) and has little understanding of the diplomatic/strategic balance. He also hates spending money on anything he can't see a direct, immediate benefit from (typical bad businessman). More laudably, he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Most in the US establishment are horrified.
* One wonders if the latter said he could find some dirt on Hunter Biden.
Excellent post and all true, especially the bit about foreign adventures. The middle east has been at war with itself for 200 years.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Excellent post and all true, especially the bit about foreign adventures. The middle east has been at war with itself for 200 years.
You could stretch that to about 5,000 years. Even when large and strong empires held sway over the region, it was frequently plagued with civil- and inter-province conflicts. It is, after all, a major strategic crossroads between Europe, Asia and Africa, with control of that much sought-after.
So you think that Guthrum would have known that the clip and the claims in the official ABC News report was fake?
[Post edited 14 Oct 2019 23:49]
Clear as day that one - the footage was first posted in April 2017. So it may or may not be from 'Knob Creek' as titled, but it sure as heck ain't from the last couple of weeks.
Don't trust unverified stuff sourced of the internet kids.
I doubt it was his job to verify all the footage shown.
Somebody messed up. Wouldn't even remotely be the first time. Perhaps, having watched lots of Hollywood films, that is what most people think combat footage looks like. Plus there seems to be relatively little sub-editing and fact-checking goes on nowadays (particularly in newspapers) - perhaps they are trying to save time and money.
'Clear as day that one' as another poster has put it and you saw straight away that the clip was not remotely genuine and so should have the very experienced ex BBC journalist and senior foreign correspondent for ABC News who talks over the clip.
It's more the case that Trump doesn't care if they're democratic or not, responds impulsively to personal conversations (in this case a phone call from Erdogan*) and has little understanding of the diplomatic/strategic balance. He also hates spending money on anything he can't see a direct, immediate benefit from (typical bad businessman). More laudably, he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Most in the US establishment are horrified.
* One wonders if the latter said he could find some dirt on Hunter Biden.
The US withdrawing troops from Syria (perhaps), the dismissal of the humongous nutjob warmonger Bolton and the cooling of the war rhetoric against Iran with the refusal to launch a military attack and as you state he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Yet most in the US establishment are horrified, now if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then nothing will.
The US withdrawing troops from Syria (perhaps), the dismissal of the humongous nutjob warmonger Bolton and the cooling of the war rhetoric against Iran with the refusal to launch a military attack and as you state he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Yet most in the US establishment are horrified, now if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then nothing will.
It's strange how he is getting lots of opprobrium for this, but when he got the toys out a year or so ago and bombed Syria the cognoscenti praised him.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
It's strange how he is getting lots of opprobrium for this, but when he got the toys out a year or so ago and bombed Syria the cognoscenti praised him.
Can you really not see why people wouldn’t agree with this action given the inevitable effect on the Kurds?
Particularly when it comes so soon after a private phone call from Erdogan.
Past interventions have been poorly judged and done untold damage but to try and paint the situation in the middle east as black and white and ‘removing troops = peaceful and good’ is far beneath your usual level of debate.
Can you really not see why people wouldn’t agree with this action given the inevitable effect on the Kurds?
Particularly when it comes so soon after a private phone call from Erdogan.
Past interventions have been poorly judged and done untold damage but to try and paint the situation in the middle east as black and white and ‘removing troops = peaceful and good’ is far beneath your usual level of debate.
Have you seen Chico debate before?
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
The US withdrawing troops from Syria (perhaps), the dismissal of the humongous nutjob warmonger Bolton and the cooling of the war rhetoric against Iran with the refusal to launch a military attack and as you state he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Yet most in the US establishment are horrified, now if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then nothing will.
The reason most are horrified is the blatant abandonment to destruction of an ally - who lost a lot of lives fighting on the US' behalf. Also the triggering of further instability in an already volatile region.
As they were equally alarmed by the fact Trump had even considered bombing Iran. Fortunately, he was dissuaded.
Don't think anyone was too upset to see Bolton go.
The US withdrawing troops from Syria (perhaps), the dismissal of the humongous nutjob warmonger Bolton and the cooling of the war rhetoric against Iran with the refusal to launch a military attack and as you state he doesn't want to sacrifice US lives in foreign adventures.
Yet most in the US establishment are horrified, now if that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then nothing will.
He didn't need to commit troops to combat to preserve the Kurds. Just the presence of a few hundred in the area effectively prevented the Turks from attacking. By withdrawing from the border (not from Syria altogether, note), he gave Erdogan a green light to go in.
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