| The Polluters 12:23 - Oct 9 with 1307 views | StokieBlue |
The Top 20 firms behind 1/3 of all carbon emissions:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/09/revealed-20-firms-third-carb
An interesting read.
"The top 20 companies on the list have contributed to 35% of all energy-related carbon dioxide and methane worldwide, totalling 480bn tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (GtCO2e) since 1965."
"Twelve of the top 20 companies are state-owned and together their extractions are responsible for 20% of total emissions in the same period."
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| The Polluters on 12:29 - Oct 9 with 1281 views | lowhouseblue |
although of course the emissions don't actually occur while the products are owned or controlled by these companies. it's the people who use the products, you, me and everyone else here, who actually create the emissions. |  |
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| The Polluters on 13:11 - Oct 9 with 1197 views | chicoazul |
It's people who are behind carbon emissions. People who make choices to emit carbon or use products that emit carbon etc etc. |  |
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| The Polluters on 13:12 - Oct 9 with 1192 views | Steve_M |
| The Polluters on 12:29 - Oct 9 by lowhouseblue |
although of course the emissions don't actually occur while the products are owned or controlled by these companies. it's the people who use the products, you, me and everyone else here, who actually create the emissions. |
It isn't correct to say that, extraction and processing of hydrocarbon does involve significant energy use and CO2 emissions. Some methods - e.g. Tar sands and shale oil/gas - far more so than others.
I do agree with your wider point though, without consumer demand then there would not be the same volume of fuels produced. The Guardian here frames this very much as a supply-side issue whereas is much of of a demand driven one. |  |
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| The Polluters on 13:14 - Oct 9 with 1181 views | chicoazul |
| The Polluters on 13:12 - Oct 9 by Steve_M |
It isn't correct to say that, extraction and processing of hydrocarbon does involve significant energy use and CO2 emissions. Some methods - e.g. Tar sands and shale oil/gas - far more so than others.
I do agree with your wider point though, without consumer demand then there would not be the same volume of fuels produced. The Guardian here frames this very much as a supply-side issue whereas is much of of a demand driven one. |
Like so many things, people forget their complicity. | |
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| The Polluters on 13:17 - Oct 9 with 1172 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Polluters on 13:12 - Oct 9 by Steve_M |
It isn't correct to say that, extraction and processing of hydrocarbon does involve significant energy use and CO2 emissions. Some methods - e.g. Tar sands and shale oil/gas - far more so than others.
I do agree with your wider point though, without consumer demand then there would not be the same volume of fuels produced. The Guardian here frames this very much as a supply-side issue whereas is much of of a demand driven one. |
exactly. without consumer demand there would be no supply. without consumption carbon emitted when the fuels are produced and used wouldn't occur. in the past consumers had fewer options short of not consuming - now for lots of things there are non fossil alternatives. if people stop buying oil and oil products it is absolutely 100% guaranteed that the oil companies will stop producing it. | |
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| The Polluters on 13:20 - Oct 9 with 1160 views | clive_baker |
| The Polluters on 12:29 - Oct 9 by lowhouseblue |
although of course the emissions don't actually occur while the products are owned or controlled by these companies. it's the people who use the products, you, me and everyone else here, who actually create the emissions. |
Exactly. Not to say companies shouldn't be scrutinised to see if they can operate more sustainably, but these are largely the companies with the biggest market share. If they halved their market share they would reduce their emission output, and those stealing their share would increase commensurately. Ultimately the end consumer needs to think about how they can reduce their own demand for such products. |  |
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| The Polluters on 13:30 - Oct 9 with 1138 views | StokieBlue |
| The Polluters on 12:29 - Oct 9 by lowhouseblue |
although of course the emissions don't actually occur while the products are owned or controlled by these companies. it's the people who use the products, you, me and everyone else here, who actually create the emissions. |
That's certainly fair and correct with regards to individual responsibility. The study however is around the suppliers of the carbon not the utilisers. It states that in the methodology.
You are of course right they aren't the end users of all their products though (although it does take significant emissions to produce the fuels). I do think it does perhaps highlight the state-owned companies which could hopefully do better.
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| The Polluters on 14:15 - Oct 9 with 1100 views | CoachRob |
| The Polluters on 13:30 - Oct 9 by StokieBlue |
That's certainly fair and correct with regards to individual responsibility. The study however is around the suppliers of the carbon not the utilisers. It states that in the methodology.
You are of course right they aren't the end users of all their products though (although it does take significant emissions to produce the fuels). I do think it does perhaps highlight the state-owned companies which could hopefully do better.
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Any ideas how long a transition to clean energy would take if left to individual responsibility (market)?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610457/at-this-rate-its-going-to-take-nearly- |  | | |
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| The Polluters on 14:27 - Oct 9 with 1091 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Polluters on 13:11 - Oct 9 by chicoazul |
It's people who are behind carbon emissions. People who make choices to emit carbon or use products that emit carbon etc etc. |
Yep, that's part of the cycle of course. These companies are at the very least fullfilling a demand.
I didn't like the piece. It's interesting to see some of these data, but the piece doesn't deal with them particulalrly well. It's sensationalising a problem that needs a much deeper consideration than simply blaming the producer (notwithstanding the fact that they are the major polluters). No mention in the text of the significant reductions in emissions many of the western country companies have recorded over time, for example. Where'sthe recognition behind that, discussion around what's lead to it and consideration of how lessons learnt can be applied to those companies with growing emissions? Etc... |  |
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| The Polluters on 16:22 - Oct 9 with 1030 views | longtimefan |
| The Polluters on 14:27 - Oct 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, that's part of the cycle of course. These companies are at the very least fullfilling a demand.
I didn't like the piece. It's interesting to see some of these data, but the piece doesn't deal with them particulalrly well. It's sensationalising a problem that needs a much deeper consideration than simply blaming the producer (notwithstanding the fact that they are the major polluters). No mention in the text of the significant reductions in emissions many of the western country companies have recorded over time, for example. Where'sthe recognition behind that, discussion around what's lead to it and consideration of how lessons learnt can be applied to those companies with growing emissions? Etc... |
Seems like a pretty poor piece to me. By that means of thinking you might as well blame the coal miners for extracting coal. Oh heck! Does that mean Maggie was right?  |  | | |
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