| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? 13:44 - Sep 23 with 946 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 13:51 - Sep 23 with 907 views | Darth_Koont |
Irony like when Watson himself was calling for unity?
Unfortunately you can't take the politician (or the hypocrisy that follows with it) out of Watson. |  |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 13:56 - Sep 23 with 878 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 13:51 - Sep 23 by Darth_Koont |
Irony like when Watson himself was calling for unity?
Unfortunately you can't take the politician (or the hypocrisy that follows with it) out of Watson. |
Agree, the infighting between different factions of Labour is pathetic, not just from Watson.
The hypocrisy from Lansman is rather amusing though | | | |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 13:58 - Sep 23 with 863 views | giant_stow |
lol! |  |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:05 - Sep 23 with 843 views | Darth_Koont |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 13:56 - Sep 23 by ElderGrizzly |
Agree, the infighting between different factions of Labour is pathetic, not just from Watson.
The hypocrisy from Lansman is rather amusing though |
It is a different party structure though where no-one is really meant to lead from the top down. Whether it's to support his role as the head of the grassroots campaign or actually to defend the members Lansman has been relatively consistent.
And Watson has been fairly consistent in not listening to the members. Both have an agenda but Watson seems to be complaining about people actually having a say in policy and upsetting his cosy party political world. That's been the problem with our politics for years. | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:09 - Sep 23 with 827 views | giant_stow |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:05 - Sep 23 by Darth_Koont |
It is a different party structure though where no-one is really meant to lead from the top down. Whether it's to support his role as the head of the grassroots campaign or actually to defend the members Lansman has been relatively consistent.
And Watson has been fairly consistent in not listening to the members. Both have an agenda but Watson seems to be complaining about people actually having a say in policy and upsetting his cosy party political world. That's been the problem with our politics for years. |
Very spinny last paragraph (and reflective of the problem with our politics for years). Watson seems to be bang on the members' money with his view on Brexit at least, unlike the leadership who seem intent on ignoring party democracy on the biggest issue in decades. | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:13 - Sep 23 with 821 views | Darth_Koont |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:09 - Sep 23 by giant_stow |
Very spinny last paragraph (and reflective of the problem with our politics for years). Watson seems to be bang on the members' money with his view on Brexit at least, unlike the leadership who seem intent on ignoring party democracy on the biggest issue in decades. |
But campaigning to remain outright would ignore many members and communities. Renegotiate or remain at least covers everybody's concerns without playing the simplistic political ploy of just going after the easiest votes and just pushing the underlying problem further down the road. | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:16 - Sep 23 with 797 views | giant_stow |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:13 - Sep 23 by Darth_Koont |
But campaigning to remain outright would ignore many members and communities. Renegotiate or remain at least covers everybody's concerns without playing the simplistic political ploy of just going after the easiest votes and just pushing the underlying problem further down the road. |
So party democracy is great and proper, *unless* inconvenient for a c.10-15% of the party membership? In that case, we'd better try a stitch up with unions. | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:21 - Sep 23 with 783 views | Darth_Koont |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:16 - Sep 23 by giant_stow |
So party democracy is great and proper, *unless* inconvenient for a c.10-15% of the party membership? In that case, we'd better try a stitch up with unions. |
10-15%? What's that about? | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:27 - Sep 23 with 759 views | giant_stow |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:21 - Sep 23 by Darth_Koont |
10-15%? What's that about? |
85-90% of labour supporters are remainers innit? | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:39 - Sep 23 with 728 views | Darth_Koont |
| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:27 - Sep 23 by giant_stow |
85-90% of labour supporters are remainers innit? |
No. Where did you get that from? | |
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| Jon Lansman: he can hear himself can’t he? on 14:54 - Sep 23 with 690 views | Darth_Koont |
It changes from poll to poll but about two-thirds for Remain. Either way it's not a small minority that you'd be ignoring.
If you mean members specifically then you're saying this: "90% of Labour members say they would vote to stay in if there were a referendum today" from September 2018. That was with May's hardish withdrawal agreement that no-one liked so not surprising given that binary choice.
Corbyn himself says they'd remain rather than take that deal, the question is about trying to resolve Leavers concerns without any attempt to renegotiate a deal, which has been absolutely butchered by the Tories.
But of course we could arrive at the best deal for the UK that is pretty much a Norway deal and then the question is "what's the point?" From both Remainers and Leavers ... but that's a world apart from just saying Remain. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 15:00]
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