To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding 22:34 - Sep 20 with 7686 views | Swansea_Blue | Excluding the ongoing antisemitism row (plenty of threads on that), in the last 36 hours alone they’ve: - had a row over labour youth group, and disbanded it - attacked the hugely experienced Harriet Harmon and are lining up to oust her at the next GE, because she’s standing as a candidate to be the next Speaker - and now have tried to oust Tom Watson despite him being labour through and through https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49776100 What the eff are they doing over there? They’ve got a ruling party scoring the biggest own goals in decades or a Century+, literally, yet they don’t seem able to focus on trying to beat them. It’s thoroughly bizarre. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:18 - Sep 21 with 928 views | giant_stow |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:13 - Sep 21 by Darth_Koont | The compromise is that the centrists need to get onside and help provide an opposition rather than doing the opposite and sniping at every opportunity. I don't see anyone being threatened for deselection because of their politics but rather their behaviour. |
This what it looks like to me too. You kind of ignored my question BTW, but no worries - I can see its a tough one. The current Labour head honchos are a fcking disgrace who seen determined to let their broad church down. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:19 - Sep 21 with 927 views | GlasgowBlue |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:13 - Sep 21 by Darth_Koont | The compromise is that the centrists need to get onside and help provide an opposition rather than doing the opposite and sniping at every opportunity. I don't see anyone being threatened for deselection because of their politics but rather their behaviour. |
Corbyn’s bottled it.
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:21 - Sep 21 with 917 views | Darth_Koont |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:19 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue | Corbyn’s bottled it.
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He was behind the motion then? | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:22 - Sep 21 with 912 views | Ryorry |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:19 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue | Corbyn’s bottled it.
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"Can’t help but feel we’ve wasted years of our lives backing a leader who, when the when push came to shove, sided with the right over his allies and supporters." One of the problems for me is I feel that he's sided with whoever and whatever was/is expedient. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:26 - Sep 21 with 904 views | Darth_Koont |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:18 - Sep 21 by giant_stow |
This what it looks like to me too. You kind of ignored my question BTW, but no worries - I can see its a tough one. The current Labour head honchos are a fcking disgrace who seen determined to let their broad church down. |
There is a broad church still. Take a look at the Shadow Cabinet with notorious Trots like Keir Starmer. To answer your question, I'll be extremely p!ssed off with those who have sowed division and petty party politics these past 4 years. Just because they lost their cosily ineffective little political club. Any sober analysis of this country and the divisions that have developed (Brexit isn't the cause it's the symptom) should understand that wide-reaching social policies are needed to bring us back from the brink. Not lip service and continuing to lose seats and the electorate's confidence in Scotland and the North. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:47 - Sep 21 with 872 views | Darth_Koont |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:22 - Sep 21 by Ryorry | "Can’t help but feel we’ve wasted years of our lives backing a leader who, when the when push came to shove, sided with the right over his allies and supporters." One of the problems for me is I feel that he's sided with whoever and whatever was/is expedient. |
Isn't the standard criticism of Corbyn that he is never expedient and he always takes the "wrong side"? The anti-Corbynistas need to get their narrative straight. All sounding a bit random nowadays. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:48 - Sep 21 with 864 views | GlasgowBlue |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:21 - Sep 21 by Darth_Koont | He was behind the motion then? |
Lansman and Ken McCluskey were behind the motion. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:51 - Sep 21 with 855 views | Darth_Koont |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:48 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue | Lansman and Ken McCluskey were behind the motion. |
So what did Corbyn "bottle" by stopping the motion? | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:56 - Sep 21 with 824 views | Ryorry |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:47 - Sep 21 by Darth_Koont | Isn't the standard criticism of Corbyn that he is never expedient and he always takes the "wrong side"? The anti-Corbynistas need to get their narrative straight. All sounding a bit random nowadays. |
It may well be the "standard criticism" but it's never been mine. I don't go with the herd, I go with the evidence of my own eyes, ears (edit - & I mean first hand speeches etc, not msm's take) - & what I feel is right. I'm not "anti-Corbynista", I'd love to be pro-Corbynista, but sadly, he rarely gives me good reason to be. I'm an individual & not part of any movement so not part of an organised narrative, therefore not "random". Reading other social media than here, and talking with other people irl, it would appear that there are millions of other individuals who feel the same as me though - whose views momentum just ignore - that's Labour's problem. [Post edited 21 Sep 2019 12:58]
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 13:07 - Sep 21 with 812 views | Darth_Koont |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:56 - Sep 21 by Ryorry | It may well be the "standard criticism" but it's never been mine. I don't go with the herd, I go with the evidence of my own eyes, ears (edit - & I mean first hand speeches etc, not msm's take) - & what I feel is right. I'm not "anti-Corbynista", I'd love to be pro-Corbynista, but sadly, he rarely gives me good reason to be. I'm an individual & not part of any movement so not part of an organised narrative, therefore not "random". Reading other social media than here, and talking with other people irl, it would appear that there are millions of other individuals who feel the same as me though - whose views momentum just ignore - that's Labour's problem. [Post edited 21 Sep 2019 12:58]
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I'm seeing throughout this thread that people are comfortable equating Momentum with Militant. Which I find quite worrying. So probably little wonder that people feel their views are being ignored if they think that's who Momentum are. What do you think about Progress and how well they were representing millions of people even when Labour was in government? I think how they've tried to wash the party of socialism and most of its social democracy too was entirely missing the point about what the UK needs from a centre-left government or opposition party. | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 13:31 - Sep 21 with 789 views | m14_blue |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 09:31 - Sep 21 by Darth_Koont | "New Labour were just Conservative lite" ... exactly. How on earth is that opposition except in a party political, Westminster bubble sense of the word? It's totally pointless and IMO not even close to what the country needs in 2019. |
You’ve got a point when looking back at the Cameron/Miliband years. However, with the Tory lurch to the right, i’d say a centre left Labour Party would be a very real, and very electable, alternative at the moment. | | | |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 13:35 - Sep 21 with 783 views | BackToRussia |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 13:31 - Sep 21 by m14_blue | You’ve got a point when looking back at the Cameron/Miliband years. However, with the Tory lurch to the right, i’d say a centre left Labour Party would be a very real, and very electable, alternative at the moment. |
Corbyn is centre left!! | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 13:44 - Sep 21 with 767 views | GlasgowBlue |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 12:51 - Sep 21 by Darth_Koont | So what did Corbyn "bottle" by stopping the motion? |
You think this was done without the dear leader’s blessing? If so that makes him a very weak leader. Is Corbyn like some sick old Soviet President who is wheeled out on special occasions but has no grip on power? | |
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To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 14:52 - Sep 21 with 733 views | Darth_Koont |
To an outsider, Labour seem to be imploding on 13:44 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue | You think this was done without the dear leader’s blessing? If so that makes him a very weak leader. Is Corbyn like some sick old Soviet President who is wheeled out on special occasions but has no grip on power? |
So you don't know. Glad we cleared that up. | |
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