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Police pulled a gun on protesters today whilst using the usual tear gas etc. It's going to get out of hand very quickly if things keep escalating at this rate.
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Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 21:45 - Aug 13 with 2474 views
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 21:45 - Aug 13 by homer_123
Playing out exactly as Beijing would like....sadly.
I cyncically wonder whether there are some 'false flags' amongst the protesters to wind them up and create an atmosphere where the army can go in to keep 'law and order'.
Let's hope that things calm down over there and that the Chinese don't get involved as i think that will only inflame the situation further.
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Totally agree things need to calm down but conversely people are angry at the way China is attempting to circumvent the one state two systems agreement.
I saw that video, totally agree they shouldn't have been beating him, that will backfire but you need to consider context here. Him and the other police had just attempted to storm a peaceful protest using riot gear, things like that are going to happen if you take that step.
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Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 09:23 - Aug 14 with 2202 views
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 09:53 - Aug 14 by giant_stow
Wouldn't they rather it all went away quietly and just ran out of steam?
Perhaps, although this does give them an opportunity to essentially ditch the two systems agreement and just integrate HK directly into Chinese law immediately.
They did after all start it all by trying to do that with the extradition bill which basically meant HK citizens could be sent to China and be tried under that systems laws.
The thing is they don't really have much that can be done against them. They could of course be economically crippled but it would require the whole world to act in unison which is never going to happen and the effects on the rest of the world would also be devastating.
When countries like the US, China or Russia act there is little the world community can realistically do about it. Look at Georgia - Russia is still there, claiming little bits of land every now and again and no cease and desist order from the UN is going to make any difference.
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Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 09:58 - Aug 14 with 2151 views
France will continue to enjoy freedoms regardless of the protests, their protests are based on economic issues. HK stand to lose the right to protest, something that won't ever happen in France no matter how heavy-handed their police are.
I don't think any deaths in France have been directly from the police though? That won't be the case if the PLA are called into HK.
I agree with your sentiment of wishing for a peaceful conclusion, unfortunately it's looking less likely the longer it goes on.
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Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 11:34 - Aug 14 with 2039 views
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 11:34 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue
Not really an equivalence.
France will continue to enjoy freedoms regardless of the protests, their protests are based on economic issues. HK stand to lose the right to protest, something that won't ever happen in France no matter how heavy-handed their police are.
I don't think any deaths in France have been directly from the police though? That won't be the case if the PLA are called into HK.
I agree with your sentiment of wishing for a peaceful conclusion, unfortunately it's looking less likely the longer it goes on.
SB
You've completely ignored the content of that 2nd video I posted.
"HK stand to lose the right to protest, something that won't ever happen in France no matter how heavy-handed their police are."
Unfortunately, this is not true. The state of national emergency which came in force following the Charlie Hebdo attack in 2015 was extended 5 times until November 2017. This was used (falsely and illegally) to prohibit peaceful protests in France during that period.
The French government is so unpopular at the moment (and not just for economic reasons as you say) but they can't impose another state of national emergency, although they want to. The solution is to have a lock down on honest reporting and force protesters off the street with violence.
There are more similarities to what's going on than is being reported and therefore than what you realise. Try watching the video by the French lawyer lady I linked in my previous post for starters.
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 12:10 - Aug 14 by caught-in-limbo
You've completely ignored the content of that 2nd video I posted.
"HK stand to lose the right to protest, something that won't ever happen in France no matter how heavy-handed their police are."
Unfortunately, this is not true. The state of national emergency which came in force following the Charlie Hebdo attack in 2015 was extended 5 times until November 2017. This was used (falsely and illegally) to prohibit peaceful protests in France during that period.
The French government is so unpopular at the moment (and not just for economic reasons as you say) but they can't impose another state of national emergency, although they want to. The solution is to have a lock down on honest reporting and force protesters off the street with violence.
There are more similarities to what's going on than is being reported and therefore than what you realise. Try watching the video by the French lawyer lady I linked in my previous post for starters.
It's still not the same, that's an extraordinary event (although having it from 2015 is out of order) which is ultimately finite. The people of HK will lose the right to protest forever, not just during extraordinary events.
Given this I think assigning a level of equivalence is too strong. That's not to say that what is happening in France is in any way acceptable - people should be allowed the right to peaceful protest regardless.
Some of the protesting in France wasn't peaceful though which couldn't have helped matters.
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Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 12:31 - Aug 14 with 1968 views
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 11:34 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue
Not really an equivalence.
France will continue to enjoy freedoms regardless of the protests, their protests are based on economic issues. HK stand to lose the right to protest, something that won't ever happen in France no matter how heavy-handed their police are.
I don't think any deaths in France have been directly from the police though? That won't be the case if the PLA are called into HK.
I agree with your sentiment of wishing for a peaceful conclusion, unfortunately it's looking less likely the longer it goes on.
SB
Hasnt Macron literally banned protests now?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 12:15 - Aug 14 by StokieBlue
It's still not the same, that's an extraordinary event (although having it from 2015 is out of order) which is ultimately finite. The people of HK will lose the right to protest forever, not just during extraordinary events.
Given this I think assigning a level of equivalence is too strong. That's not to say that what is happening in France is in any way acceptable - people should be allowed the right to peaceful protest regardless.
Some of the protesting in France wasn't peaceful though which couldn't have helped matters.
SB
Anyway, so it does happen in France and has happened very recently. There is enormous police violence against peaceful protests in France.
France employs agents provocateurs (curiously known as "les casseurs", "the breakers") like any other government in the world to justify police violence. The actions of "les casseurs" in the gilets jaunes protests in France is known to everyone.
Things could get very bad in Hong Kong on 10:03 - Aug 14 by Herbivore
Ooh, we have a new entrant into the Irrelevance Cup. The competition is strong this year.
Oo my go! The protestors best move was branding themselves with umbrellas rather than yellow vests. Our media seem much more sympathetic when they get shot in the eye etc..etc
Edit...good work CIL, I really should read to the end of the thread before commenting!
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