| WWII book help - holiday reading edition 08:21 - Jul 28 with 2434 views | artsbossbeard |
I was listening to Johnny Vaughan on Radio X and he mentioned a WWII book, which was written by a Third Reich Commander after the war that detailed Hitler's big strategical errors and blamed the German losses at Dunkirk on Hitler's adoration of all things British and hatred for the Soviet system - more soldiers detailed to the east rather than sent to Dunkirk.
Long shot, but does anyone know of this book/author/title?
Thanks in advance.
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:38 - Jul 28 with 2049 views | urbanblue |
Don't know about this one but if you want to an absolutely fantastic read centered around the war I cannot recommend HHhH by Laurent Binet enough. It's a novalisation of the assassination of Heydrich and a lot more ...
Superb stuff for your holiday mate! |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:39 - Jul 28 with 2036 views | artsbossbeard |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:38 - Jul 28 by urbanblue |
Don't know about this one but if you want to an absolutely fantastic read centered around the war I cannot recommend HHhH by Laurent Binet enough. It's a novalisation of the assassination of Heydrich and a lot more ...
Superb stuff for your holiday mate! |
That sounds right up my strasse!
Cheers mate, super! | |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:46 - Jul 28 with 2017 views | WD19 |
Sounds like a good one.
My holidays recently have been heavy on Anthony Beevor. Always very well written and his knowledge is second to none.
Probably more for the common man than an aficionado such you though. |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:47 - Jul 28 with 2018 views | Plums |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:38 - Jul 28 by urbanblue |
Don't know about this one but if you want to an absolutely fantastic read centered around the war I cannot recommend HHhH by Laurent Binet enough. It's a novalisation of the assassination of Heydrich and a lot more ...
Superb stuff for your holiday mate! |
Can I also recommend the excellent ‘We have ways of making you talk’ podcast with Al Murray and historian James Holland’. Superb analysis and WWII myth busting. |  |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:53 - Jul 28 with 2010 views | Ftnfwest |
Guderian wrote an autobiography called ‘panzer leader’ and was the only prominently involved general that survived the war, although only for a few years. The panzer division were successful out of all expectation during the battle of France but typically penetrated many miles without support and relied on the defenders to panic and run in confusion, which they did! The tanks at Dunkirk we’re well beyond support and I imagine he didn’t want to lose too much hardware given what he had in mind on the eastern front the following year so halted them while support arrived (that and Goering convincing him to leave it to the Luftwaffe! |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:00 - Jul 28 with 1997 views | Guthrum |
Not quite the case, there was no war in the east in 1940, Germany was still allied to the Soviets through the Molotov-Ribbbentrop pact of the previous year.
Panzer Leader by Heinz Guderian (Erinnerungen eines Soldaten in the original German) is the autobiography of the man who planned and led the crucial breakthrough during the invasion of France and the Low Countries in 1940. Like all autobiogs by public figures (especially those with reason to try shifting blame), should be taken with a small pinch of salt, but very good nonetheless.
Panzer Battles by F W von Mellenthin is a very detailed memoir by a man who was one of Rommel's senior staff officers in North Africa (but covers the whole war).
Infantry Attacks by Erwin Rommel deals with his experiences in the First World War in great detail, tho is more of a technical work on tactics. |  |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:09 - Jul 28 with 1967 views | Guthrum |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:00 - Jul 28 by Guthrum |
Not quite the case, there was no war in the east in 1940, Germany was still allied to the Soviets through the Molotov-Ribbbentrop pact of the previous year.
Panzer Leader by Heinz Guderian (Erinnerungen eines Soldaten in the original German) is the autobiography of the man who planned and led the crucial breakthrough during the invasion of France and the Low Countries in 1940. Like all autobiogs by public figures (especially those with reason to try shifting blame), should be taken with a small pinch of salt, but very good nonetheless.
Panzer Battles by F W von Mellenthin is a very detailed memoir by a man who was one of Rommel's senior staff officers in North Africa (but covers the whole war).
Infantry Attacks by Erwin Rommel deals with his experiences in the First World War in great detail, tho is more of a technical work on tactics. |
There is also Lost Victories by Erich von Manstein, the man whose plan for the campaign in the West was the one actually adopted in 1940 (particularly after the Mechelen Incident). I haven't read it in full and its historical reliability has been strongly questioned since publication. | |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:16 - Jul 28 with 1956 views | Guthrum |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:53 - Jul 28 by Ftnfwest |
Guderian wrote an autobiography called ‘panzer leader’ and was the only prominently involved general that survived the war, although only for a few years. The panzer division were successful out of all expectation during the battle of France but typically penetrated many miles without support and relied on the defenders to panic and run in confusion, which they did! The tanks at Dunkirk we’re well beyond support and I imagine he didn’t want to lose too much hardware given what he had in mind on the eastern front the following year so halted them while support arrived (that and Goering convincing him to leave it to the Luftwaffe! |
It was more the German high command panicking about the armoured spearhead being cut off by attacks on the thin corridor behind them and wiped out. Unfortunately, disorganisation and lack of effective Franco-British cooperation, combined with the confusion and alarm caused by fast-moving German attacks deep into the Allied rear areas, prevented that from ever happening (altho in the Battle of Arras, a weak counterattack nearly threw the whole offensive into chaos).
Essentially, the Germans were terrified by their own success and lost their nerve. | |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:21 - Jul 28 with 1945 views | Guthrum |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:38 - Jul 28 by urbanblue |
Don't know about this one but if you want to an absolutely fantastic read centered around the war I cannot recommend HHhH by Laurent Binet enough. It's a novalisation of the assassination of Heydrich and a lot more ...
Superb stuff for your holiday mate! |
Filmed as The Man With The Iron Heart. Not seen it, but will do well to match the hard-hitting Anthropoid, released about the same time. Me and the mate who went to see it came out of the cinema quite shell-shocked, not for the squeamish or faint-hearted. | |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:30 - Jul 28 with 1920 views | BloomBlue |
Two WWII books I can recommend are The Second World War by Antony Beevor and Life and fate by Vasily Grossman. Actually all of Beevor's books on WWII are great reading. |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:45 - Jul 28 with 1891 views | Ftnfwest |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:09 - Jul 28 by Guthrum |
There is also Lost Victories by Erich von Manstein, the man whose plan for the campaign in the West was the one actually adopted in 1940 (particularly after the Mechelen Incident). I haven't read it in full and its historical reliability has been strongly questioned since publication. |
Lloyd Clark’s book on Kursk is a good read. The opening chapters include detail on Mansteins tactics during the retreat from the Stalingrad front after the Russian counter attack which were incredibly successful given the circumstances, essentially luring the Russian army group which was attacking headlong at the time into a huge trap. That was against hitlers wishes at the time who didn’t want to concede an inch of ground, so he did well to carry it off and stabilised the front for 6 months. | | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 10:58 - Jul 28 with 1835 views | linhdi |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 08:53 - Jul 28 by Ftnfwest |
Guderian wrote an autobiography called ‘panzer leader’ and was the only prominently involved general that survived the war, although only for a few years. The panzer division were successful out of all expectation during the battle of France but typically penetrated many miles without support and relied on the defenders to panic and run in confusion, which they did! The tanks at Dunkirk we’re well beyond support and I imagine he didn’t want to lose too much hardware given what he had in mind on the eastern front the following year so halted them while support arrived (that and Goering convincing him to leave it to the Luftwaffe! |
Guerin even gets rechecked in Al Stewart's wonderful "Roads to Moscow" song, which tells the story of WW2 as seen through the eyes of a Russian infantryman. He has on occasion explained it as being inspired by, and a prequel to, Solzhenitsyn's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" , and it certainly fits that equally epic tale. |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:12 - Jul 28 with 1810 views | brogansnose |
Not answering your question at all Beardy but, I can reccomend these ;
All of them are about the end of the WW2 and emminently readable.
Armageddon & Nemesis both by Max Hastings, the first about the end of the Reich and the second about the fall of Japan.
The End : Germany 1944 - 45 by Ian Kershaw
Berlin: Downfall by Anthony Beevor. I'm not so kean on his books but I like the subject matter. The ones by Hastings and Kershaw are excellent, think Downfall the film but more so.
The Seige of Kohima by Fergal Keane is a great read too of a largely forgotten theatre. |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:17 - Jul 28 with 1799 views | footers |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:12 - Jul 28 by brogansnose |
Not answering your question at all Beardy but, I can reccomend these ;
All of them are about the end of the WW2 and emminently readable.
Armageddon & Nemesis both by Max Hastings, the first about the end of the Reich and the second about the fall of Japan.
The End : Germany 1944 - 45 by Ian Kershaw
Berlin: Downfall by Anthony Beevor. I'm not so kean on his books but I like the subject matter. The ones by Hastings and Kershaw are excellent, think Downfall the film but more so.
The Seige of Kohima by Fergal Keane is a great read too of a largely forgotten theatre. |
I'm taking this even further off tangent now...
Funeral Rites by Genet. Possibly my favourite semi-fictional autobiography ever. Not much competition in that field, admittedly!
It tells the story of Genet's lover in the Parisienne resistance during the closing months of the war. If you like reading about Nazis shagging each other or life at the barricades as a French communist it's incredible.
You'll also learn how to kill a cat with a pillowcase. |  |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:22 - Jul 28 with 1789 views | brogansnose |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:17 - Jul 28 by footers |
I'm taking this even further off tangent now...
Funeral Rites by Genet. Possibly my favourite semi-fictional autobiography ever. Not much competition in that field, admittedly!
It tells the story of Genet's lover in the Parisienne resistance during the closing months of the war. If you like reading about Nazis shagging each other or life at the barricades as a French communist it's incredible.
You'll also learn how to kill a cat with a pillowcase. |
Sounds good fella, I'll give that a go.
See also Iron in The Soul by Sartre. | | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:36 - Jul 28 with 1774 views | Sporall |
Not answering your question, but this is a good, but short read:
Tiger Tracks by Wolfgang Faust |  | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:44 - Jul 28 with 1755 views | Ftnfwest |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 11:12 - Jul 28 by brogansnose |
Not answering your question at all Beardy but, I can reccomend these ;
All of them are about the end of the WW2 and emminently readable.
Armageddon & Nemesis both by Max Hastings, the first about the end of the Reich and the second about the fall of Japan.
The End : Germany 1944 - 45 by Ian Kershaw
Berlin: Downfall by Anthony Beevor. I'm not so kean on his books but I like the subject matter. The ones by Hastings and Kershaw are excellent, think Downfall the film but more so.
The Seige of Kohima by Fergal Keane is a great read too of a largely forgotten theatre. |
Have read the last one you mention brogs, indeed a very good read, lot of brutality | | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 12:08 - Jul 28 with 1727 views | Freddies_Ears |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 10:58 - Jul 28 by linhdi |
Guerin even gets rechecked in Al Stewart's wonderful "Roads to Moscow" song, which tells the story of WW2 as seen through the eyes of a Russian infantryman. He has on occasion explained it as being inspired by, and a prequel to, Solzhenitsyn's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" , and it certainly fits that equally epic tale. |
Edit, Guderian. Flippin' autocorrect. | | | |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:14 - Jul 29 with 1564 views | footers |
Use abebooks.co.uk instead buh. Word to the wise... | |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:24 - Jul 29 with 1547 views | Samuelowen88 |
I can highly recommend
Beneath a Scarlet Sky, based on true story about an Italian teenager who ends up working for the resistance and helps smuggles Jews out of Italy. |  |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:30 - Jul 29 with 1538 views | GeoffSentence |
£126 does seem quite steep for paperback copy.
Tried borrowing it from your local library? |  |
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| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:32 - Jul 29 with 1535 views | artsbossbeard |
| WWII book help - holiday reading edition on 09:30 - Jul 29 by GeoffSentence |
£126 does seem quite steep for paperback copy.
Tried borrowing it from your local library? |
No, but I'll give it a look see.
Not sure if they'd want it returned when covered in carrot oil from my sunbathing though.. | |
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