| Donacien 18:30 - Dec 8 with 7244 views | Currie10 |
Sticking to guns here, he won't play another minute for us again.
Convinced we're trying to get this deal to collapse. |  | | |  |
| Donacien on 18:35 - Dec 8 with 6864 views | wkj |
I am of the same mind on this |  |
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| Donacien on 18:44 - Dec 8 with 6808 views | J2BLUE |
I would imagine there is some sort of deadline on his clearance to come through? I wonder if it is the start of the window? Purely speculation on my part and it would be harsh on him but an extra £750k in Lambert's hands might be the difference this season... [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 18:56]
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| Donacien on 18:49 - Dec 8 with 6760 views | wkj |
| Donacien on 18:44 - Dec 8 by J2BLUE |
I would imagine there is some sort of deadline on his clearance to come through? I wonder if it is the start of the window? Purely speculation on my part and it would be harsh on him but an extra £750k in Lambert's hands might be the difference this season... [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 18:56]
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The sad thing is, he is one of the better players of a bad bunch in my opinion, but not good enough - I would hate to be a club that arsed another club over that needs money, but to be fair we can't be nice guys for the sake of it right now | |
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| Donacien on 18:56 - Dec 8 with 6719 views | Currie10 |
| Donacien on 18:44 - Dec 8 by J2BLUE |
I would imagine there is some sort of deadline on his clearance to come through? I wonder if it is the start of the window? Purely speculation on my part and it would be harsh on him but an extra £750k in Lambert's hands might be the difference this season... [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 18:56]
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Surely something akin to this you'd hope - madness! | | | |
| Donacien on 20:38 - Dec 8 with 6500 views | itfcjoe |
The club secretary has said it is a done deal |  |
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| Donacien on 20:45 - Dec 8 with 6463 views | Kieran_Knows |
I just can’t see it happening. Accrington Stanley have already spent the £750k on ground improvements! |  |
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| Donacien on 20:56 - Dec 8 with 6400 views | ElderGrizzly |
The ‘status’ he has is irrelevant to the deal though. His current visa is linked to his employment at his old club, hence why we have kept him on loan.
He is applying for indefinite leave to remain with us as his employer and if he doesn’t get this he will simply get another Tier 1 visa. His ability to play will be unaffected.
Don’t think there is anyway out of this for us |  | | |
| Donacien on 21:06 - Dec 8 with 6358 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Donacien on 20:56 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
The ‘status’ he has is irrelevant to the deal though. His current visa is linked to his employment at his old club, hence why we have kept him on loan.
He is applying for indefinite leave to remain with us as his employer and if he doesn’t get this he will simply get another Tier 1 visa. His ability to play will be unaffected.
Don’t think there is anyway out of this for us |
Doesn't the permanent transfer hinge on this being granted? If it is denied the deal fails and the loan ends in January, I would have thought. Whether anyone would have put a time limit on it would depend on foresight when we were desirous to get a deal done. I would imagine him not playing is likely to have a detrimental effect on the likelihood of the status being granted.
It is a bit of a mess really isn't it? Rather like our whole season so far. |  |
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| Donacien on 21:18 - Dec 8 with 6313 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Donacien on 21:06 - Dec 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Doesn't the permanent transfer hinge on this being granted? If it is denied the deal fails and the loan ends in January, I would have thought. Whether anyone would have put a time limit on it would depend on foresight when we were desirous to get a deal done. I would imagine him not playing is likely to have a detrimental effect on the likelihood of the status being granted.
It is a bit of a mess really isn't it? Rather like our whole season so far. |
No, it’s a red herring as to whether the deal would be completed or not. As Joe says, the deal is done and no refunds.
All that is to be decided is whether he is playing under indefinite leave to remain or a Tier 1 visa and that can only be ‘linked’ to one club. | | | |
| Donacien on 21:24 - Dec 8 with 6292 views | gt81 |
How is this taking so long? Bureaucratic BS I know is the obvious answer, but how long does it take to process someone already established in the country. |  | | |
| Donacien on 21:29 - Dec 8 with 6255 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Donacien on 21:18 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
No, it’s a red herring as to whether the deal would be completed or not. As Joe says, the deal is done and no refunds.
All that is to be decided is whether he is playing under indefinite leave to remain or a Tier 1 visa and that can only be ‘linked’ to one club. |
I thought it was a loan that transforms to a transfer upon the permission being granted. Surely the brokers anticipated the possibility that it would not be granted. It is not that long ago we went through such protracted negotiations with Jaime Peters is it? Remember how promising that was and ultimately how little it lived up to the expectations. | |
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| Donacien on 22:11 - Dec 8 with 6133 views | GiveusaWave |
It's a done deal I'm afraid...
Great bit of business by AC...a friend of mine who supports them couldn't believe they got 750K...
Sorry...but think we will eventually release him on a free... |  |
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| Donacien on 22:19 - Dec 8 with 6093 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Donacien on 21:18 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
No, it’s a red herring as to whether the deal would be completed or not. As Joe says, the deal is done and no refunds.
All that is to be decided is whether he is playing under indefinite leave to remain or a Tier 1 visa and that can only be ‘linked’ to one club. |
Why didn’t we sign him permanently in the first place, if that’s the case?
When we signed him the news article confirmed:
The 24-year-old centre-back or right-back is joining on a year’s loan with the deal becoming a long-term switch at the point his permanent leave to remain in the UK has been confirmed.
So presumably there remained an element of doubt that would be the case? |  |
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| Donacien on 22:31 - Dec 8 with 6053 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Donacien on 22:19 - Dec 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Why didn’t we sign him permanently in the first place, if that’s the case?
When we signed him the news article confirmed:
The 24-year-old centre-back or right-back is joining on a year’s loan with the deal becoming a long-term switch at the point his permanent leave to remain in the UK has been confirmed.
So presumably there remained an element of doubt that would be the case? |
I just see Accrington allowing the deal to go through at all if it wasn’t 100% going to become a permanent deal once his permit is finally sorted. As I say, AS must be confident, they’ve already spent the £750k! | |
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| Donacien on 23:03 - Dec 8 with 5986 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Donacien on 22:19 - Dec 8 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Why didn’t we sign him permanently in the first place, if that’s the case?
When we signed him the news article confirmed:
The 24-year-old centre-back or right-back is joining on a year’s loan with the deal becoming a long-term switch at the point his permanent leave to remain in the UK has been confirmed.
So presumably there remained an element of doubt that would be the case? |
Because we couldn’t. As was explained to me, his visa is linked to his old club and the fact he was undertaking the indefinite leave to remain process meant he couldn’t reapply for a new visa with us.
So we had to take a loan initially to not hold up the move.
If his indefinite leave to remain doesn’t go through, we’ll support his application for a new Tier 1 visa. And he’ll carry on living his life as now for another 5 years. | | | |
| Donacien on 23:13 - Dec 8 with 5944 views | PhilTWTD |
| Donacien on 23:03 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
Because we couldn’t. As was explained to me, his visa is linked to his old club and the fact he was undertaking the indefinite leave to remain process meant he couldn’t reapply for a new visa with us.
So we had to take a loan initially to not hold up the move.
If his indefinite leave to remain doesn’t go through, we’ll support his application for a new Tier 1 visa. And he’ll carry on living his life as now for another 5 years. |
Not quite as it was outlined to me. The leave to remain has to be extended every three years, don't think it's related to moving club. Think the application had been made prior to him coming here. They've also been told it's a formality it being granted, just the Home Office being slow. |  | | |
| Donacien on 23:19 - Dec 8 with 5908 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Donacien on 23:13 - Dec 8 by PhilTWTD |
Not quite as it was outlined to me. The leave to remain has to be extended every three years, don't think it's related to moving club. Think the application had been made prior to him coming here. They've also been told it's a formality it being granted, just the Home Office being slow. |
I was told it was the difference between leave to remain and indefinite leave to remain that is the cause of the complications? He has the former, he is applying for the latter
Anyway, to the point of the OP, I can’t see there is anyway we don’t follow through with the signing as if he doesn’t get this ‘status’ we’ll simply get another one for him. [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 23:19]
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| Donacien on 23:40 - Dec 8 with 5827 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Donacien on 22:31 - Dec 8 by Kieran_Knows |
I just see Accrington allowing the deal to go through at all if it wasn’t 100% going to become a permanent deal once his permit is finally sorted. As I say, AS must be confident, they’ve already spent the £750k! |
No I’m sure they are confident that it’ll be granted, but at the same time presumably there must be the possibility that it won’t - otherwise the deal would have just been a permanent transfer | |
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| Donacien on 04:40 - Dec 9 with 5666 views | harlingblue |
You are probably right Currie10, but it is a shame for him and us, he is one of Hurst's better buys, but never given the chance to play at right wing back, a position that has been weak all season. Penny pinching in the extreme if our hierarchy is hoping for the deal to be dead. | | | |
| Donacien on 08:27 - Dec 9 with 5507 views | PositivelyPortman |
What can’t you understand about this situation?
It’s a done deal. |  |
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| Donacien on 10:19 - Dec 9 with 5364 views | Guthrum |
Not sure he'll play much this season.
Lambert clearly doesn't consider him an option at RB and he is only cover in the middle. |  |
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| Donacien on 10:30 - Dec 9 with 5329 views | pointofblue |
| Donacien on 10:19 - Dec 9 by Guthrum |
Not sure he'll play much this season.
Lambert clearly doesn't consider him an option at RB and he is only cover in the middle. |
I still think Donacien has shown better attributes at right back than Spence has this season. | |
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| Donacien on 14:27 - Dec 9 with 5190 views | SonOfSpock |
| Donacien on 23:19 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
I was told it was the difference between leave to remain and indefinite leave to remain that is the cause of the complications? He has the former, he is applying for the latter
Anyway, to the point of the OP, I can’t see there is anyway we don’t follow through with the signing as if he doesn’t get this ‘status’ we’ll simply get another one for him. [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 23:19]
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Nobody really knows what leave or remain is these days though.. |  | | |
| Donacien on 16:09 - Dec 9 with 5104 views | PhilTWTD |
| Donacien on 23:19 - Dec 8 by ElderGrizzly |
I was told it was the difference between leave to remain and indefinite leave to remain that is the cause of the complications? He has the former, he is applying for the latter
Anyway, to the point of the OP, I can’t see there is anyway we don’t follow through with the signing as if he doesn’t get this ‘status’ we’ll simply get another one for him. [Post edited 8 Dec 2018 23:19]
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As I understand it there are no complications and it's been a case of waiting for a rubber stamp on his documentation to confirm the permanent leave to remain. But I agree, I don't think there's any serious suggestion the deal isn't already done and dusted. | | | |
| Donacien on 16:11 - Dec 9 with 5098 views | Mullet |
| Donacien on 16:09 - Dec 9 by PhilTWTD |
As I understand it there are no complications and it's been a case of waiting for a rubber stamp on his documentation to confirm the permanent leave to remain. But I agree, I don't think there's any serious suggestion the deal isn't already done and dusted. |
Would you get it clarified at the presser please? Then sticky the answer up here until his transfer is confirmed? |  |
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